Sorry, you lost me there. Repeating my question: when did Exar Kun dominate millions of Sith?
TBH, defeating Lord Scourge and Meetra Surik (simultaneously) in a duel, impresses me more; few would have this much capability. Darth Nyriss is also noted to be a master of Sith Sorcery so she might be packing a lot more than what we have seen from her so far.
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What do you mean by that? TOR sources - time and again - reiterate that Vitiate is the TOP-DOG. Same sources acknowledge greatness of other Sith but none of them affirmed that Exar Kun became the TOP DOG for a time. That would not make sense, keeping in mind the history of Vitiate's power progression.
Exar Kun's promotions are valid for (known) aspects of the galaxy up to his time. This would be a reasonable in-universe explanation as well.
As for those Sith spirits choosing Exar Kun to lead the Sith cause, they might be aware of Vitiate's hostility. Vitiate would have either destroyed them or caged them in the Dark Temple. Strength was not the only factor.
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I guess because he was summoning an impenetrable Force barrier simultaneously, explanation appreciated.
On the other hand the blast he unleashed in DE was again, visibly much more potent, so this was never really a matter of debate, kek.
Orly? We're in 2017 dear this stuff is freely available on the internet, in which case I two have familiarised myself with the source and it clearly states:
That the Jedi in question dominated the Sith people, and in doing so became Dark Lord.
Whereas by Soruz Syn's accounting:
Pall in particular became Dark Lord by undermining their power structure and acting as the heir of King Adas. Soruz Syn says nothing of making them into unwilling thralls to achieve this, because it did not happen, nor would they have spent weeks politicising their way into power had they been able to do this. Instead:
Sorry AP, but there is no argument here, these accounts are mutually exclusive, the former having bungled the facts on the number of Dark Jedi present and being a retelling by Sadow almost two millennia after their arrival making it an unreliable source from the start.
Not at all, it's not even a greater feat than that of the Sith adept who enslaved a population of sapients with nothing but a minor Sith shrine to aid him:
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Cheap parlour tricks like this would be child's play for someone of Vader's calibre.
And I commend you on the wasted purchase.
Nonetheless AP the idea behind buying a book is that you read it afterwards. Perhaps if you'd done that you'd realise that the Marek was trying to hold the ship together before obliterating it at the very last moment to save Juno. In regards to which though much of the ship had been torn away a significant portion of the fore remained intact, and nothing states otherwise. Stop embarrassing yourself with this made up nonsense and get a clue.
Not at all, that source explictly states that it was the ritual of a certain Sith sorceress that corrupted the planet, not the influence of Sith spirits who became bound to it thereafter, that Thon later lured and trapped in the lake:
Hint: dark side nexuses cannot chase people or be tricked into traps, lmao.
He lost yes. But not because he was less powerful. Whereas in their second duel Vader was given him a thrashing until Marek cheap-shotted him. But even then the DS ending reveals he wasn't really down and out at all, and the Prime Guide describes Vader was "too powerful" for the player who - having ended up disarmed and physically thrown off the platform - must resort to channelling Force lightning through the electricity pylons to defeat him. I'm afraid there's no debate here, Vader is better.
On the contrary my dear, this is the end of line for you. Kun's spirit feats have been debunked, his powerscaling as been debunked and now you've resorted to his base showings, a contest I am afraid you will lose too. In short AP:
Huh, what was that supposed to prove other than the fact the amulet can channel external sources of power? Lel.
By focusing the ambient energies of the temple through it, quite. Shall I take this to be a concession you cannot prove otherwise?
In which respect, all you've proven is that it's an exaggerated extrapolation of him being the most powerful Sith. Well done AP.
Not sure what point is your attempting to make here hon but you're correct on one thing, the Corsair is a Sith superweapon, far more advanced than a gauntlet designed by the same Dark Lord. In which respect you still haven't really given me a reason to believe it wouldn't yield greater power bar a clumsy appeal to incredulity.
That said it appears to me that the Corsair is just a device that can be activated at a push of a button, so I'm not sure Keto or Sadow's level of mastery is even relevant here. And even if we assumed this for a moment to be hyperbole, you'd have no means of quantifying just how much an amp it afforded, and only estimations as exactly how much stronger Kun became. On the other hand if the amp had become negligible as you claim he'd have no need to continue wearing the amulet, yet he did, so it didn't. Once again no argument here.
Cool, none of that proves Nadd was remotely as powerful as spirit, goodness.
Very nice. If only there were some proof Kun could accomplish this without an amulet and with TK.
That's nice dear, however I think I'll be sticking to the norm for now rather than conceding to your arbitrary stipulations. If that intimidates you, you're welcome to bow out now.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Luke Skywalker vs Exar Kun: Context and Circumstances
Except his "defensive techniques failing" comes a whole paragraph later, hence it's not redundant. You're in pretty big denial to miss the large space between the two quotes, that you conveniently omitted from your original response.
Yeah, and so it isn't really moot since I'm debunking the idea that Exar is more powerful than Luke. If Luke's mental state would hinder him in a fight against Exar circa-JA is another thing entirely.
And also his presence, which is the only thing that outstands Corran. By that same token, Jaina thinks Luke hasn't shown her a quarter of his power by Dark Nest because of his piloting capabilities; not a valid comparison.
For the most part.
Nice moving the goalpost, but to address your point. Yes, he is. He isn't better than Luke Skywalker, though. And he stopped absorbing Kyp's assault via tutaminis and started just blocking it with his already errected barrier, and it was successful enough.
I am aware, but unless you want to argue barely trained Jedi are more capable of drawing on the power of a nexus than one of the most powerful Sith ever... well, your argument falls flat, as usual.
And it also draws from said power to attack, you numpty. He can feed himself off that power beyond just appearing in his astral form.
Regarding your quotes, it actually directly notes said power-sources are made to be used by Dark Siders. They can draw on it, sure, but that doesn't make it Light Side energy(again, I mention sources actually noting Jedi becoming more powerful on DS nexuses because they are uncharacteristically willing to draw on said nexus) it is simply used for the purpose of the Light Side.
Yet, it's specifically talking that part being
You mean the same Brakiss who only fought an exhausted, holding back Luke, and the same Brakiss that got stomped by an all-out Luke?
"This has gone on long enough, Brakiss. You may either surrender or I'll defeat you directly, because I have work to do. I need to get back to defending my Jedi academy."
"Brakiss showed the faintest glimmer of uncertainty in his normally calm and peaceful eyes when Luke drove in, this time intending to win. Luke struck again with the lightsaber, always maintaining his focus and drive, not letting anger take control, doing only what he wished to do.
The Master of the Shadow Academy defended himself, and Luke saw his chance to strike. He altered his aim just slightly, not striking the energy blade itself. He could have swung lower to take off the hand of his former student, much as Darth Vader had cut off Luke's own hand-but Luke didn't want to maim Brakiss in such a way. He needed only to ruin his weapon.
His lightsaber struck across the top of Brakiss's handle, just below the terminus of the energy beam and above the knuckles of the grip.The top two centimeters of the spiked-claw end of Brakiss's lightsaber sprayed off, sheared away in a smoking, molten mass.
Brakiss shrieked and dropped his sparkling lightsaber to the ground, where it lay useless, smoldering, no longer a weapon, simply a hunk of components... none of which worked."
-- Young Jedi Knights: Jedi Under Seige
He literally ended the fight in two moves.
Yeah, no sh!t. And in order to free and re-animate himself, he needs more than just Durron. But that doesn't mean his Force reserves are > Durron's, just that Kyp's power isn't enough to accomplish a task Exar couldn't accomplish anyways.
Yes there is. You're just in denial, lmao.
Which only happened when Luke himself intervened.
Good; you're making some progress.
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Just skimming through, but I feel the need to comment on this:
Emphasis mine.
Firstly, the fact that Yoda happens to be superior to Mace doesn't really prove anything in regards to Vodo and Odan, as the passage isn't highlighting how Yoda compares to Mace, but rather how Yoda and Mace compare to the rest of their Order.
Secondly, the passage doesn't explicitly state that Vodo and Odan are the Order's ultimate authorities, but rather that they're two examples of highly respected masters who possessed great authority in the Old Republic era. It doesn't preclude the possibility of other masters of similar calibre existing. Once again, the fact that this is the case with Mace and Yoda doesn't mean the case is exactly the same for Vodo and Odan; to me, at least, it seemed like there was less of a rigid hierarchy among the masters in TotJ than in the prequels.
Thirdly, while it's true that strength in the Force is highly valued in the Jedi Order, that doesn't mean it's the only considerable factor. Even though Yoda seemed to have lost much of his strength to age in RotJ, I don't think he'd be held in contempt by his fellows were they still alive; his wealth of experience and wisdom has value on it's own, and the same would go for Odan.
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Odan is confirmed to be Head of the Jedi Assembly and acts as the Head of the Jedi Conclave on Deneba. The Jedi Assembly, furthermore, is the group of leading Jedi Masters of the Order. For all intents and purposes, the Jedi Grand Master of the Jedi High Council. It was the Exar Kun War that caused the change to an Orthodox Order in the first place.
Whilst you're right that strength is not the sole factor, it is clearly one of the primary ones as the quote states.
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