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Yoda VS Kyle Katarn
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Emperordmb
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He is a joke (Plagueis loses to Kenobia rofl) but his verdict is correct overall. Yoda would beat Katarn.


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chilled monkey
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What the heck are you whingebags complaining about? It was a great analysis of both characters. Plus it had a logical outcome and sound reasoning behind it.

So again, what exactly are you complaining about?

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Mostly his other videos where he thinks Kenobi > Plagueis ....


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Originally posted by chilled monkey
What the heck are you whingebags complaining about? It was a great analysis of both characters. Plus it had a logical outcome and sound reasoning behind it.

So again, what exactly are you complaining about?


I knew it was only a matter of time before you slithered into this thread to white knight this abomination.


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I knew it was only a matter of time before you slithered into this thread to white knight this abomination.


And I knew you wouldn't be able to provide a real answer or defend your position.

Again, what exactly are you complaining about? What specifically makes this video an "abomination?" What aspects of the analyses do you take issue with?

Are you saying you disagree with the outcome or his reasoning behind it? If so, I'd REALLY like to know why.

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Originally posted by Trocity
Mostly his other videos where he thinks Kenobi > Plagueis ...


So what if he made one video that was dubious? It's dumb to completely ignore/dismiss EVERYTHING a person does just because of one bad call, especially when most of his other videos are absolute genius.

How would you feel if you made a movie that was a flop and then made another one but no-one even watched it or gave it a chance?

Judge a work by its own merits, not based on what came before it.

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My position doesn't need defending. The fact that the video exists at all is evidence towards Evan's insanity. The fact that you adore these videos is proof of yours.


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Originally posted by chilled monkey
So what if he made one video that was dubious? It's dumb to completely ignore/dismiss EVERYTHING a person does just because of one bad call, especially when most of his other videos are absolute genius.

How would you feel if you made a movie that was a flop and then made another one but no-one even watched it or gave it a chance?

Judge a work by its own merits, not based on what came before it.


Because the answer is such a joke. The fact that he fails to see how Plagueis would simply ragdoll Kenobi blows my mind, considering all the videos he's made all those forcecasts or whatever he's in where he talks about Star Wars.

Sidious could ragdoll Maul but Plagueis couldn't ragdoll Kenobi? How does that make sense, considering TPM Plagueis was roughly equal in power to Sidious during RotS?

It's so sad that he spends 40 minutes seriously evaluating a ragdoll procedure.


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Emperordmb
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Originally posted by chilled monkey
And I knew you wouldn't be able to provide a real answer or defend your position.

Again, what exactly are you complaining about? What specifically makes this video an "abomination?" What aspects of the analyses do you take issue with?

Are you saying you disagree with the outcome or his reasoning behind it? If so, I'd REALLY like to know why.

Because the Forcecast doesn't even remotely understand power scaling (for example Jensaarai1 thinks Zannah beats Yoda and Vader but Zannah also somehow loses to Tholme, and Evannova thinks Bultar Swan and Darth Maul are on a similar level), and because they ignore actual evidence when it doesn't fit with their interpretations (such as them ignoring numerous statements on Sidious's skill level because they believe he's completely unskilled, or Evannova claiming that Bane is a "painfully predictable textbook duelist" when the evidence in the novels shows him as unpredictable and he's considered to have "moved beyond forms and sequences" in the first book).


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Originally posted by chilled monkey
So what if he made one video that was dubious? It's dumb to completely ignore/dismiss EVERYTHING a person does just because of one bad call, especially when most of his other videos are absolute genius.

How would you feel if you made a movie that was a flop and then made another one but no-one even watched it or gave it a chance?

Judge a work by its own merits, not based on what came before it.

It's not a single video though, it's a consistent trend. Bane vs Hoth, Bane vs Shaak, Kenobi vs Plagueis, and now this... and these are his more recent videos as well.


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Originally posted by chilled monkey
Judge a work by its own merits, not based on what came before it.

Dude, they haven't produced one good video in their entire careers, lmfao.

Just take the L already.


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Originally posted by Emperordmb
Because the Forcecast doesn't even remotely understand power scaling (for example Jensaarai1 thinks Zannah beats Yoda and Vader but Zannah also somehow loses to Tholme, and Evannova thinks Bultar Swan and Darth Maul are on a similar level), and because they ignore actual evidence when it doesn't fit with their interpretations (such as them ignoring numerous statements on Sidious's skill level because they believe he's completely unskilled, or Evannova claiming that Bane is a "painfully predictable textbook duelist" when the evidence in the novels shows him as unpredictable and he's considered to have "moved beyond forms and sequences" in the first book).


To think I actually believed them as well. There are so many canon statements proving Sidious to be a master duelist and *the greatest* duelist depicted in the movies. He outright beats Yoda in lightsaber combat according to canon. A lot of these statements are by Nick Gillard, and for some reason those guys on Forcecast seem to completely ignore Gillard and use evidence to support their own theories.

Yeah Bane is a painfully predictable duelist, but hast learnt Form VII? Makes sense.

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Originally posted by Emperordmb
It's not a single video though, it's a consistent trend. Bane vs Hoth, Bane vs Shaak, Kenobi vs Plagueis, and now this... and these are his more recent videos as well.


Wait don't tell me he said Shaak beats Bane?


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Wait don't tell me he said Shaak beats Bane?

Nah but he basically said Bane barely wins, and that Shaak Ti would survive the engagement by running away.


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Dude, they haven't produced one good video in their entire careers, lmfao.

Just take the L already.


To be fair Connor's redo of Vader VS Kun wasn't that bad. It was at the very least a step up from...well...his other stuff.


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Nah but he basically said Bane barely wins, and that Shaak Ti would survive the engagement by running away.


Lol At him also saying Ti has a higher pain tolerance.


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you guys are more retarded for even paying attention to anything they make, lmao.


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My position doesn't need defending. The fact that the video exists at all is evidence towards Evan's insanity. The fact that you adore these videos is proof of yours.


I adore these videos because they give me inspiration in my writing, both for Star Wars, other series and original fiction. They help me devise statistics for characters and in writing fight scenes.

What is Character A's typical approach to battle? How does his personality and experiences influence it? How does he respond to different scenarios? How do I keep his fights consistent but varied enough to avoid being repetitive?

These are all important points to consider when writing fight scenes and videos like this are very helpful to me. Why does that anger you? I guess you just hate anyone with imagination or creativity.

Seriously, why do you dislike this video? This isn't a jibe. I honestly want to know.


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Originally posted by Emperordmb
Because the Forcecast doesn't even remotely understand power scaling (for example Jensaarai1 thinks Zannah beats Yoda and Vader but Zannah also somehow loses to Tholme, and Evannova thinks Bultar Swan and Darth Maul are on a similar level), and because they ignore actual evidence when it doesn't fit with their interpretations (such as them ignoring numerous statements on Sidious's skill level because they believe he's completely unskilled,


1) "Power scaling" is dumb. Brains, tactics and skill can frequently defeat a foe with greater power. Look at Batman or Captain America for example.

2) I may need to re-check this but as far as I know Jensaarai1 has NEVER claimed that Zannah beats Yoda. He just said that her lightsabre style would be effective against Yoda because it blocks many of his primary attack vectors. All that means is she would fare better against him than most in a lightsabre duel.

I agree that the Zannah vs. Tholme one was pretty head-scratching though.

3) They do not believe Palpatine is completely unskilled. Throughout that video they repeatedly acknowledge that he's a master duellist. All they said was that he's not invincible (which he isn't).

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He outright beats Yoda in lightsaber combat according to canon.


Nope. According to canon Yoda disarmed him.

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My Dude, they haven't produced one good video in their entire careers, lmfao.


WRONG! Here are just a few examples of awesome videos-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqz...ghLVUh7z8DHRZtg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXWQBeyopOQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trv_vSZWz44

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woGPPPBaS00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-hrr7pwPmM

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All terrible.


How so? Please enlighten us.

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Who's "us?" You seem to be the only one disagreeing here, lmfao.


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Who's "us?" You seem to be the only one disagreeing here, lmfao.


https://youtu.be/P4zCPWkFJTY?t=1m18s


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