Capitalism and certain forms of socialism can coexist. Like DDM pointed out, the government collecting taxes to fund various social projects like roads, law enforcement, healthcare, military, etc. is a form of socialism and there's not a single country in the world that's not socialist to some extent or another.
__________________ And from the ashes he rose, like a black cloud. The Sin of one became the Sin of many.
I am for sure not talking about Marxist Socialism, but talking about the more common "Socialism." Idiots in the US combine the two definitions into one label and think all of it is "socialism." It's not.
But more about Marxist Socialism, Marx dressed up his words with pretty ideas and structures but at the essence of it, it was anti-theistic, antagonistic towards the reformation movement and the enlightenment period (where the idea of extreme individualistic liberty and freedom were seen as paramount to happiness) but not necessarily diametrically opposed to those concepts. He saw his brand of Communism in phases with the eventual outcome of man weaning themselves off the teet of religion and forming a happy utopia of communal industry (he believed it was the inevitable outcome of a society that grew through his idea of communistic maturity: religion was no longer necessary as an emotional crutch).
I'm just gonna post this quote here because I do not know where else to put it. It was a quote on one of Sargons videos, the comment was about the difference between fascists and communists lol. But I liked it.
"The fascists shot their victims so that they fell into the hole. And the communists had to drag the bodies of their victims to the hole."
__________________ Chicken Boo, what's the matter with you? You don't act like the other chickens do. You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man you're a Chicken Boo.
So what would you say the difference is between socialism and communism? Just curious.
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Perhaps you know this, but Marx actually believed Socialism is a necessary first step towards Communism. Both are linked. That's why I always keep my fingers crossed for Socialists to trip on their journey
Yes, definitely. I think there are three phases to Marx' idea of "pure communism." And, actually, I'm rusty on my political science and I do not recall the middle step between 1 and 3.
I think Surtur remembers because I believe he reminded me of this a few months ago but I forgot...
Seizing the means of production...socializing....transitioning to communism? Nah, doesn't sound right. 1 and 2 are pretty much the same.
Indeed, it can be weird because you do see some people use "socialism" and "communism" interchangeably.
__________________ Chicken Boo, what's the matter with you? You don't act like the other chickens do. You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man you're a Chicken Boo.
As they say, "when in Rome..." because language changes. I've pointed out before that it is necessary to clarify, like you just did, what people are referring to because, as I just pointed out, all of these "commies" are actually socialists.
I think people just like the word "commies" better when it comes to referring to them lol. Otherwise they'd be borrowing from The Outsiders with the Socs.
__________________ Chicken Boo, what's the matter with you? You don't act like the other chickens do. You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man you're a Chicken Boo.
It is true, Marxist Socialism (Communism) never actually happened, but the practice to make it happen was genocide. So..... just going to end that there.
Socialist practices in capitalist economies are good and necessary, like a safety net, so to speak, but the level of the safety net is adjustable. America has this problem that any social services is red terror cos they're morons.
Apparently, Putin is hacking dere facebook to make them like Trump who is ebull. America is dumb.
Well, if we were to discuss healthcare like the sensible intelligent members of KMC we are, I'd tell you that I have problems with socialised medicine such as the NHS.
Idiots get put in power, immigrants from different cultures swarm in (simply a cultural difference, here not LOL DEY BLACK) and power given to politically changing governments when medicine should be a scientific business.
I like Sicko as entertainment, but Michael Moore is a ****ing hack.
__________________ Chicken Boo, what's the matter with you? You don't act like the other chickens do. You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man you're a Chicken Boo.
I don't care what anybody says, I'd take the NHS over letting poor people die from a fully privatised healthcare system any day of the week
Barely ever happens. 95% scapegoat
You ignore my talk about Sicko, but whatever, I'll address the post you made.
I've been to an NHS hospital regarding mental illness and there were complaints about Indian doctors and patients. It wasn't a big deal, but it was upsetting for people. When an Indian doctor thinks they're doing a good job and the patient can't ****ing understand what she's saying, it becomes an issue. When a patient from another country, two examples, one was from Poland and one was from India, there were tensions and issues for the patients and nurses. I believe greater restriction is needed.
Anyway, reducing immigration and stuff like that would solve that issue, without having to get rid of the NHS. The NHS isn't perfect by any means, particularly with mental health, I'm not saying it is. But at the end of the day, I come from a fairly poor family, and the NHS saved my dad's life twice (without putting our entire family into crushing debt that we probably wouldn't have recovered from!), so if I did anything else but support the existence of the NHS I'd be pretty stupid.
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