No that's nothing like Ocare really. There's no public option in Ocare. There was going to be but they didn't have the votes. You aren't wrong, though, insurance companies are too powerful and they were afraid of the public option because it would probably render their product obsolete by offering a cheaper alternative with little to no drawbacks for the customer.
That's fine, if government run insurance is better and more effective then so be it. If the private insurance companies can't compete then they would simply shut down and cease to exist, which would be fine.
I think it would be better for everyone if people weren't tied to their jobs because of health insurance and as I said I'm sure business owners would GLADLY pass off health benefits to the govt.
It would be a win/win just need someone to close that deal and make it happen, I'll go read Trumps art of the deal now ............
maybe we could limit a lot of the wasted money we drop into other countries, decriminalize drugs, stop spending money on adult illegal immigrants, tighten up welfare, and stop spending countless dollars irritating other sovereign nations then we would have more than enough money to give every American a stellar education and keep them healthy.
then. maybe then. we would have enough residual money to help out our poorer brethren in other countries.
isn't this common sense?
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I've seen that argument before. The very poignant response to your question is:
"The US Government is great at killing people but not so great at saving people."
Yes, that is how it works with NHS: you can buy more insurance so you can get access to private care (to skip waiting and get elective surgeries and medicines).
Here is what I thought was an entertaining write-up on how this works with NHS:
However, you may not mean this...you may mean something else?
The idea that is being tossed around as the way forward for the US is to expand Medicare to cover all and still allow insurance companies to function as "medicare supplement" companies to reduce the out of pocket costs.
The estimates on how much that would cost are not accurate because, imo, they lack one key element to demonstrate a true cost: the cost spent on healthcare increases dramatically when an American is 40 or older simply because they use it more often.
This is why the US Constitution has the "Necessary and Proper Clause": if we need to create legislation that forces the states to participate in a universal healthcare option, we can do it.
Sure is, but good luck getting the world to listen. I'm right behind you on every step of that but people are too caught up in tribal mentality and semantics to bother.
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I just think when its being discussed its not being presented as a win for capitalism as well as for everyday folks. Instead folks stay focused on the GOVT part of healthcare.
Talk about the real benefits to people aside from the obvious healthcare aspect. Such as businesses no longer having the cost of healthcare so they can be more competitive in the international workplace, less administrative costs and man hours, fewer regulations and rules, less tax hassle, more productive workforce not worrying about illness, not stuck with a job you dislike just for benefits etc.
Instead the talks stays very static......taxes......govt.....healthcare.......etc. The reality is anyone that has health benefits through an employer doesn't even have to pay full market value for the insurance itself just the services so there is a disconnect with the masses.
I don't know what the costs would be however there is also the fact that it could (depending on taxes etc) could allow more money to flow in our cheap consumer economy so more toys bought etc........so many benefits!
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my shoulder surgery only cost me 200 dollars out of pocket. that was cool
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I pay a little over 50 dollars bi weekly. it's the standard self option
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I just don't think that poor people should be forced to pay exorbitant amounts of money if they want to literally not die. We have private healthcare in this country too that people can choose to go to if they have the money; what's the issue?
The issue is the health care may not be sufficient. In cases like euthanasia and mental health the retarded systematic nurses and doctors will just follow the system with no option for the patient to go somewhere else because "**** you, you're wrong, I disagree."
I feel uncomfortable knowing that one institution has complete control over every countryman's health.
"According to the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service (CRS), which uses the broadest definition of aid [PDF], including military and security assistance, total spending was nearly $49 billion in 2015. This accounts for roughly 1.3 percent of the federal budget."
"Since Richard Nixon declared a war on drugs back in the 1970s the United States Government has spent nearly $1 Trillion towards eradicating the drug problem in this country. In 2015 alone $36 billion was spent on the war on drugs, but that number was just for law enforcement and some social services, and does not take into account the cost of incarceration for nonviolent drug offenders once they are arrested and sentenced to jail.
Roughly $80 billion is spent each year on incarcerating American prisoners and since 50% of our prison population is serving time for drug-related crimes that means that an additional $40 billion needs to be added to $36 billion price tag for the war on drugs, bringing the grand total to $76 billion."
Cost of Illegal Immigrants: $99 Billion
"The $113 billion is not a net cost. Taking into consideration federal, state and local tax payments made by the undocumented population, the net cost would be about $99 billion, according to the FAIR report."
The above number is on average spent each year, since 9-11, on our foreign wars.
"As of late September 2017, the United States wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Syria and the additional spending on Homeland Security, and the Departments of Defense and Veterans Affairs since the 9/11 attacks totaled more than $4.3 trillion in current dollars through FY2017. Adding likely costs for FY2018 and estimated future spending on veterans, the costs of war total more than $5.6 trillion."
my thoughts are i'm neither an accountant or a money guy but that's a shiit ton of money that could be used to properly educate americans and keep them healthy
__________________ QUANCHI112:In between the passes Khan will tear out the orca teeth and use them as an offensive weapon. Khan has crushed a skull before so tearing a tooth off a whale should be no issue.
if people want more socialism in this country then why not change this war on drugs and emulate something like they have in the Netherlands.
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