Ok, but my question was really, isn't that standard armor? Or did he just keep it for a little while, cause I usually see him pictured with it on.
Looking at the scans of his fight against Darkseid again, it does look like he's flying. Does that mean he's using the Astro force, simply sans harness? Cause if so, going by these stips, he's stripped of that too, right?
It was something he had from the issue before until a while later.
He wasn't flying, he was jumping. The lines that probably make you think flight were to indicate that they were moving at super speed. Orion was jumping. He didn't have the Astro-Harness for the majority of the series. Those same lines were used in other places, where he had no armor(and was dressed like a street bum), as well, if you're trying to argue the armor is the harness.
EDIT: Here's Orion later on when he couldn't use the Astro-Harness using other equipment to fly, while wearing that armor.
No, different argument. Supposedly the Astro force is something he can access without the harness, it just makes it easier to control. And jumping doesn't account for all of it, especially when there's not just lines, but aura, or when he's traveling in a straight line, no arc, feet off the ground. Doesn't "grounding" him remove these speed feats from his record?
I don't know of any instances of him trying to fly the way you're arguing. In fact, if he could fly like you're arguing, why did the same writer have him use non-standard equipment to fly when he didn't have the Astro-Harness? More than once in the storyline. He also was incapable of accessing the Astro-Force in the delta patrol example, and there's a few other times of him using speed when he couldn't access the Astro-Force.
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Nice bullet catch. Spiderman was dodging attacks that was coming at him at light speed. He also see bullets in slow motion. As if they are standing still when shot.
Where did it say he was incapable of accessing the Astro-force in the Delta Patrol scan? I didn't see that stated anywhere. Anyway, if he couldn't access it against Darkseid, explain these scenes:
You misread me. I wasn't saying Orion was slower than them, I was saying that here on KMC, people think that being stronger or faster is an automatic victory, even when a character has other skills to compensate.
In this instance, while Orion without flight may be (I say may because his non Astro-force feats, including the Delta Patrol one, have not been out of the teams league so far) faster than any of these characters, right now it doesn't seem that he's so fast he can handle all three of them without problems.
And the impressive speed feat there is the bullet catch, Spider-man has an equivalent bullet reaction feat where he didn't know about the bullet until it had nearly hit him.
Yes, it's a very impressive strength feat. Don't see how throwing a bullet really hard and fast is the same as achieving those speeds yourself though.
Nolan's hands (or at least, his fingers) are indeed moving at 100mph. If he made a fist, and made the same motion as he does when pitching, it would be a ~100mph punch.
Edit: I edited my post to add some caveats. But the principle remains the same. At the moment of release, a part of this Nolan's body is moving at 100mph.
Nope, read your sources. They say the fingers have to reach such speed, but the hands are moving slower, the arm even slower, and the torso slowest. So, great speed feat for Orions fingers, thanks!
Edit: Saw your edit. It's the same principle, but applied to a much smaller scale. Unless he's extending his fingers and using them like whips, I fail to see how this is proof of him attacking with supersonic speed.
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