Quotes after 2015, plz. Also, Valkorion isn't even Sith, and, if "sith power" is taken to mean the dark side, then RotS Sidious is canonically > the Son & Abeloth.
After 2015? Quotes aren't passively retconned; they have to be explicitly retconned. That quote stands. Secondly, a quote in 2015 does name Sidious as the most powerful Sith Lord of all.
Regardless, even if you want to play date games, you can't win. Darth Plagueis is established as the most powerful Sith Lord up to and of his time in 2012, which means he's stronger than vanilla SWTOR Vitiate. Valkorion is also stronger than vanilla SWTOR Vitiate, but that still suggests only relative parity between Plagueis and Valkorion. We also have TPM Palpatine > Plagueis from 2012 as well, so that kind of puts TPM Palpatine above Valkorion, to say nothing of RotS Sidious who enjoys thirteen years of continual growth over TPM Palpatine.
The Son is explicitly stated as possessing power beyond the domain of the Sith, so no, he doesn't use "Sith powers". Neither does Abeloth, whose powers come from the same sources as the Son and Daughter. They're safely excluded from Palpatine's accolade. Valkorion, on the other hand, is not.
So he's safe, and by extension, Abeloth's safe too. Vitiate is a tried and true Sith in origin and his powers originate from the Sith. That he changes bodies and official affiliation and claims to no longer be a Sith doesn't excuse him from that. The powers he wields are very much Sith powers.
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Vitiate is technically Valkorion at some point between the events of novel and SWTOR. He deviated from the path of Sith after the events of novel.
The Son has demonstrated "Sith powers" in his exploits. The Databank has been revised. Old pages hold no value.
Abeloth has also demonstrated "Sith powers" in her exploits.
Valkorion has also demonstrated "Sith powers" in his exploits but some of his powers are not technically/logically "Sith powers." Such powers are simply identified as DARK in KoTFE and KoTET.
See above.
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Although it's April 2015 and KotFE was October 2015. But as I said, the date game isn't a valid one to play.
2. OOU statements are the indisputable ones. Besides, it goes hand-in-hand with Plagueis' IU claim that he was was unequaled in power in all of Sith history to his knowledge.
3. I'm treating the codex entry that says he grows stronger when he becomes Valkorion to refer to him after the Ziost incident. If you want to deprive him of any power growth since vanilla SWTOR, then that only proves that Plagueis > Vitiate.
4. I just posted the quote saying that the Son's power was beyond the domain of the Sith Lords. By proxy, Abeloth, whose power was also sourced from the Font of Power (and the Pool of Knowledge), is also beyond the domain of the Sith Lords. There is no dispute here.
That source represents a compilation of some older stories into a single package as a reprint.
That accolade takes Palpatine's political power into consideration alongwith his command of the Dark Side.
In-universe writing format is the only method for establishing FACTS in science fiction because those FACTS are not true for our world (OOU). This is why majority of books pertaining to a science fiction saga have in-universe conceit.
OOU statements are 'subjective interpretations' of developments in science fiction; they are like 'personal opinion' of an author or a publisher regarding developments in science fiction. For example, an OOU source identified Revan as a Jedi Knight during the events of novel. However, Revan is a Jedi Master at this point in time. OOU statements are not indisputable for developments in science fiction; they can be easily scrutinized instead.
Ask any writer why he chose in-universe conceit for a book pertaining to Star Wars.
The codex revelation is not wrong. Vitiate was growing in power with passage of time because he continued to feed on life-force of other beings non-stop.
Valkorion (corporeal) > Vitiate as of Ziost. He packs all that power and then some.
That does not makes sense. The Old Databank is done and dusted.
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And no! I have checked various discussions on different platforms to understand what constitutes in-universe and OOU and their relevance to work of fiction.
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