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Authorial intent in Star Wars - does it matter or not?
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Geistalt
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Full-power Tyth can kill off a planet and remain standing.

Revan and Vader haven't the power (nor knowledge, in the case of Vader) to say the same for them. About either of those.


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Originally posted by Azronger
Oh? So there is a "correct interpretation" now? Unless it's accepted into the canon, there is no such thing as a "correct interpretation".


Um, so who else would know the correct interpretation if not for the people who wrote the material...?

What you're asking for right now is ridiculous imo. The moment any SW material the author created is introduced into games, movies, comics, etc., it's canon. That canon material is up for interpretation by fans, and the only guy who knows what the actual interpretation of the canon material is, is the author.

Or are you honestly suggesting Disney should ask every single author what is the correct way to interpret his/her created material to make it officially and irrevocably canon? You're asking for too much.


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It helps conceal his double standard.

In his fragile mind, Kun/Ulic > Vitiate, but Sidious ≤ Abeloth.


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The argument here is that regardless of the author's intents, they do not have full control over their creation. No, the author is not consulted on what the correct way to intepret his or her created material is and that's precisely the point. The moment the book, game etc. is published and enters into wider continuity, the author relinquishes creative control over their own work (ergo, the death of the author) and instead Disney or whomever, are free to read, mold, or even rewrite the material in anyway they please.

For example according to the author of Dark Empire Force storms are not a direct product of Palpatine's power, but a product of the minds of two powerful Force wielders colliding. And yet despite this all secondary sources are unanimous in describing it as a direct manifestation of his power, that he can indeed unleash at will, the intents of the author have been entirely overridden.


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The argument here is that regardless of the author's intents, they do not have full control over their creation. No, the author is not consulted on what the correct way to intepret his or her created material is and that's precisely the point. The moment the book, game etc. is published and enters into wider continuity, the author relinquishes creative control over their own work (ergo, the death of the author) and instead Disney or whomever, are free to read, mold, or even rewrite the material in anyway they please.

For example according to the author of Dark Empire Force storms are not a direct product of Palpatine's power, but a product of the minds of two powerful Force wielders colliding. And yet despite this all secondary sources are unanimous in describing it as a direct manifestation of his power, that he can indeed unleash at will, the intents of the author have been entirely overridden.


Well, that is true. But if the author is never actually contradicted by Disney directly, you still believe we shouldn't consider his interpretation?

Also, does this mean you believe Filoni's words about Ahsoka regarding her appearance in Rebels means nothing?


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Overwritten, and sure.

But you don't just get to selectively ignore official statements and claim it's canonical.


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Some email from Drew or whatever is not official, that's rather the point.
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Also, does this mean you believe Filoni's words about Ahsoka regarding her appearance in Rebels means nothing?
Could you be more specific?


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Geistalt
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I was referring to

quote:
It quickly became clear to Luke that this decrepit and seemingly defenseless old man was masterfully adept in the ways of the Dark Side of the Force. Indeed, as Vader had warned, the Emperor had become the Dark Side's most powerful expression.


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Some email from Drew or whatever is not official, that's rather the point.
Could you be more specific?


Do you believe that if the author's interpretation is never contradicted, this specific interpretation should be valid?



I'm referring to Filoni saying only Vader and Sidious can go 'blow for blow' with her, or him saying she's grown, etc?

Also, what about what he says of Maul and Kenobi and their fight?


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As opposed to

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Originally posted by AncientPower
Once the most powerful and dangerous of the Dark Lords of the Sith, he [Exar Kun] was responsible for the deaths of millions four millennia before the rise of the Empire.
- The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Odan-Urr goes to the Force and the darkest power in the galaxy walks away with something that will make him even stronger.
- Tales of the Jedi

The most powerful and dangerous of all the Sith Lords, Exar Kun
- The Official Star Wars Fact File #1


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Azronger
quote: (post)
Originally posted by Geistalt
Anyone else starting to think the statement that RotJ Sidious > Abeloth still holds water?
Nobody thinks that, lol.


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He'd even go out of his way to wank Vader through scaling from Palps, y'know.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t642040.html


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Ok mate, wrong thread I think. sad


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Geistalt
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Nope. That's definitely the one.

"SIDIOUS R 4 TIMES STRONGUR"

Apparently, fan-based claims are more relevant than feats and authorial statements.


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I'm taking about this thread bro, maybe go rant about Az elsewhere. sad


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WAH!

They all think Exar < Vitiate

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You are a bit weird.


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Oh? So there is a "correct interpretation" now? Unless it's accepted into the canon, there is no such thing as a "correct interpretation".

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Geistalt
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It's not even an estimate; he just pulled those numbers out of his rectum and started calculating.


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