I'll be honest; I was very much on the side of Preboot Superman being the more powerful. What changed my mind was that all of the N52 Superman stuff happened in an incredibly small space of time, so he didn't have the chance to average out like a lot of characters do.
Add that to him being weakened, and it's hard to argue against it imo.
-Ripping Doomsday in half? Weakened. Context
-Combating Phantom Stranger? Weakened. Major context
-Contending with Darkseid and forcing him back? Weakened. Major context
-Easily pressing earth weight for days on end, w/o any sunlight replenishing him? Weakened. He did
-Pushing half of a ship that was dozens of times larger than earth? Weakened. He did
-Tanking attacks from a universal+ being(and fighting evenly with her)? Weakened. Never happened
Let's not forget that by the time of the merge, Pre-Flashpoint Superman was already more than a decade older than what he was last time we saw him just prior to Flashpoint, soaking up power from the sun all that time, getting more powerful as he got older.
Basically, merged Superman = Pre-Flashpoint Superman [and 10+ years of additional power] + New 52 Superman [stronger than PFP, imo].
That's...quite something.
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Oh, I agree. I just hope that we get to see less of the... I don't want to call it immaturity, but for the longest time I thought N52 Superman was written pretty strangely.
makes sense to me but until I see feats from rebirth supes that puts him on the level that you think he's currently at, I'll have to respectfully disagree. Remember that pre flashpoint Superman was capable of singing people out of existence, flying thousands of light-years in moments, and held a book of infinite pages (among a vast amount of other incredible feats) and he was still portrayed as a weakling to KC supes. Once the feats start coming, I'll agree with you, but until then, it's a matter of implied power vs actual feats. Thanks for the reply btw
Any 'context' behind the feats I mentioned do not lessen what Superman did in any way. Stop talking about shit you are clueless about, lol.
As for the final feat: yes, it absolutely DID happen. Molly was channeling the power of the Speed Force+Green Lantern CPB+all Atlantean magic+the timeflow of the entire universe. She became enraged. She blasted Superman multiple times. He soaked each blast... But I don't expect you to have read the most recent issue of JL, because you don't read comics. This whole f*cktard routine of yours is getting old, carv.
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Read the comic. I can send you a PM of the entire thing if you want plus all of the other comics from last week. Let me know.
Anyways, Superman was nearly out in the first attack and even though she possessed that power, remember, that does not mean she was using it against Superman. Remember me and your discussion about Onslaught vs Hulk? When I brought up to you about him possessing Franklin Richards, Xman, and Magneto power? What did you say? That applies here as well. Along with the fact that Superman was saying that her attacks was getting weaker and that she was holding back in fear of damaging the area. It's like me saying Thor is uber powerful because he withstood attacks from an angry Celestial. Glory. A pissed Odin. Cracked the skull of Galactus...etc, etc...
You know 'reading' entails more than just looking at the pretty pictures, and coming up with a 'carverized' version of the dialogue, right?
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1.) Molly's only priority was to DESTROY Superman and ALL super-powered beings throughout creation. She(and The Timeless) viewed them as an abomination --a threat to creation itself on a fundamental level-- and wanted them extinct at all costs. She made her intentions abundantly clear on multiple occasions... As did Tempus himself:
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*Suggesting a character with that sort of nihilistic mentality(and whom was also enraged during the fight) would inextricably hold back against the very being(s) she sought to destroy is utterly laughable.
2.) It was only stated that Molly wasn't going all-out AFTER her connection to the Timeless' machines was severed -- which makes sense, as she was literally incapable of operating at full power: http://i.imgur.com/GxHV4QO.jpg http://i.imgur.com/m70MXqA.jpg
3.) Prior to losing her connection to said power sources, however, Molly was clearly going all-out...
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*This is quite impressive considering her blasts also contained [extremely] high-level magics, in addition to the energy of the Speed Force AND the GL CPB.
The faux-smartass banter only works when you actually know what you're talking about. When you're flat-out wrong(as you are here), and still trying to act like an arrogant asshat, it just makes you look like even more of a dumbass.
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I didn't really feel as if N52 Supes had such a "staggering" frequency of high end feats when compared to pre N52. That's just my opinion though. Almost impossible to actually gauge something like that me thinks.
Now in regards to the Mxy showing....
I get all the parts where the trap was specifically built for and tailor made for him... Obviously.
I'm more concerned with the meat. I'm not convinced Mxy's infinite planet was a literal multiverse per se. It looked like an abstract representation of the different scenarios in his life that Mxy forced him to relive. As the process progressed, so did the loss of his memories. Scenario after scenario he was forced into until he said phukk it... I'm taking a short cut, prompting Mxy to accuse him of cheating.
Now the scene where Jon was having his first conversation with Mxy was not necessarily the same place. In fact it was a nexus(looked like one)to different realities as depicted with all the doorways/gateways that were illustrated and explained by Mxy. We know that Jon did escape that "nexus" after their little game, but was ultimately taken back to somewhere in "limbo". Not really sure he was back necessarily back in the same spot. Impossible to know for sure.
Now back to the infinite planet. Everything was so abstract and fluid similar to that limbo and nexus place(s). I can't say for sure it was a literal multiverse due to the abstract and psychedelic nature. If anything, it may have been a sort of mini dimension where all kinds of wacky shiet happens. It's Mxy after all.
I would characterize that as a feat of will. I guess.
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Yes, Molly did want to destroy all of the super human's but she made it quite clear that she didn't want to damage the area of the fight. This was stated here...
...unless you believe Superman have a forcefield that circled the area (wtf).
Also, Jane survived an attack from a "universal" (no fts) being. Why are you not giving her credit? She was knocked out but she was physically ok afterwards.
The same attack that had Superman straining to get up. If this was universal, he'll, solar system; let's bring it down further; planet busting power, she should have been turned to dust. It's like saying since Hercules survived an attack from Galactus, he have star system level durability. This is dumb.
Let's up this. She used the last bit of energy she had on Bruce.
Threw everything she had at him. Why isn't this a ft for Bruce? Does this at least give him city level durability? Him fighting her is impressive...well, he wasn't fighting at all. He was getting his ass whipped. It impressive but so is this...
His fight with Odin...etc, etc... by the way, that Celestial was angry. Do you believe he was using all of his power on Thor? What about Onslaught? He wanted to rid the planet of everyone. That was his main goal. Did he use his universal power on Hulk? Surfer fought a pissed Galactus. Did Galactus use everything he had on Surfer? I'm trying to understand you bro.
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Apr 25th, 2017 10:02 PM
makes sense to me but until I see feats from rebirth supes that puts him on the level that you think he's currently at, I'll have to respectfully disagree. Remember that pre flashpoint Superman was capable of singing people out of existence, flying thousands of light-years in moments, and held a book of infinite pages (among a vast amount of other incredible feats) and he was still portrayed as a weakling to KC supes. Once the feats start coming, I'll agree with you, but until then, it's a matter of implied power vs actual feats. Thanks for the reply btw
