If you punch me in the face with your fist because you wanted to give me a black eye, it's both correct to say "Phil gave me a black eye" and "As a side effect of Phil's punch, I got a black eye".
Just depends what you want to emphasize, and it doesn't depend on whether or not you cared more about giving me a black eye than punching me with your fist.
Firestorm creating salt is a matter of transmutation, the blackhole was specifically attributed to an energy discharge by Surfer... not the same thing.
No, he didn't. The writer didn't take it into account and there is no mention of it in any issues Morg appeared in.
And Uber feats are what separates Superman from high heralds. He is in a league of his own.
Thor is wrongly placed above BRB. Superman is and always was above Cap when he actually cuts loose and has defeated Captain Marvel straight up and almost beat him to death.
Surfer just doesn't has the quality or quantity of Superman's high end feats. Superman's average is Surfer's high end feats.
He still had it when the whole Tyrant thing went down. Consider it a retcon if you like, but it's still accurate to say that he beat Morg w/WOL because the recton deemed it to be so.
As for the rest... blah, blah, blah... feats still hold significant weight on KMC. If you don't like it, try to get the mods to change it.
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Talk to Ambient, he's the one who pointed it out to me a while back.
And hey, I haven't been trying to compare Supes and Surfer in this thread, I've only been addressing Surfer's feat. Then you chimed in with your typical "feats aren't what matter" type of arguement and here we are.
Kryptonite not native to Superman's universe has been shown to be ineffective. Even if Surfer could make it work, he'd have to do it while getting punched in the face.
Red sun radiation is not an insta-lose for Supes. He's flown through Krypton's red sun before ffs.
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And on the first day, Doom spoke... 'Be.'
And then there was life."
Except that this one WAS... as specifically noted on panel. Car's also can't be picked up and thrown by human sized characters and nothing made of matter can go faster than light in real life just so you know...
I debunked Roldz claim a few years back actually. I know everything about that claim.
Yeah, random feats don't matter in large scale of things. Even in the same series we see Surfer going all out against T&A and no black holes are created or he even managed to do anything to them.
Only relative performance matters and Surfer is piss poor in that.
You really helped clear up that Surfer generated a black hole... as a secondary effect to his energy discharge.
Here, let me help you out Phil:
No mention of intent.
No mention of intent.
As I said, cherry picking definitions.
The black hole was an accompanying, consequential effect of an energy blast. It's worth specifying that the black hole was an accompanying, consequential effect of a different action that Surfer took because, intended or otherwise, it emphasizes that the black hole was created indirectly, and therefore with greater ease.
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