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Originally posted by Smurph
You really helped clear up that Surfer generated a black hole... as a secondary effect to his energy discharge.

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Originally posted by Smurph
Pretty good! You?

It has been... I was gone for a bit, and I wasn't sure if you were still lurking here or not. Happy birthday... don't party too late, old man.

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Originally posted by Smurph
The black hole was an accompanying, consequential effect of an energy blast. It's worth specifying that the black hole was an accompanying, consequential effect of a different action that Surfer took because, intended or otherwise, it emphasizes that the black hole was created indirectly, and therefore with greater ease.

Man, if only we had a word for that....

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Originally posted by darthgoober
You refusing to acknowledge the validity isn't the same as "debunking".

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Not on KMC. On KMC feats matter and since this is the place where the debates are taking place that's just the way is whether you like it or not.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Except it was stated as his main goal.

It didn't say he discharged energy in honor of Airwalker. It says he "generated " a black hole.

Let me know if you want to understand what the bolded part means.

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Originally posted by Cogito
Someone want to post actual scans of the entire black hole incident?

Not that it really matters as Superman has held a black hole in his hands.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't do you. There is literally nothing that indicates Morg had WOL.

Roldz being a silver surfer fanboy latched to an imaginary argument and then ran away.

In hindsight he is your colleague after all.

Oh I like it. That's why I know Superman can not be even hurt by Surfer because he tanked a multiversal black hole.

But wait, that does not matters, right? Only surfer gets the high end feats. All others are done by averages? Right?

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Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't do you. There is literally nothing that indicates Morg had WOL.

Roldz being a silver surfer fanboy latched to an imaginary argument and then ran away.

In hindsight he is your colleague after all.

Oh I like it. That's why I know Superman can not be even hurt by Surfer because he tanked a multiversal black hole.

But wait, that does not matters, right? Only surfer gets the high end feats. All others are done by averages? Right?

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Except it was stated as his main goal.

It didn't say he discharged energy in honor of Airwalker. It says he "generated " a black hole.

Let me know if you want to understand what the bolded part means.

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Originally posted by Philosophía
The Surfer wanted to create a blackhole, and the energy blast was specifically for that purpose. If the sole purpose of the energy discharge is to create a black hole, that is its primary effect, and not a side-effect.

I'll ask you the question again, try not to dodge it this time, smurphy:
If I wanted to give you a black eye and punched you in it, is the black eye a side effect, or the primary effect of what I wanted?

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Originally posted by Philosophía
Surfer generates a black hole to honor his friend's passing...that obviously means he didn't intend it, and it was just a side effect!

~ Smurph

Since we're on birthday theme, it's like saying somebody lighting the candles of Leo's cake would be a side-effect of the fire.

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Originally posted by Ambient
@abhi..

Here is a couple energy blast use by Surfer In defeating his opponents.

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And yes that's Morg with WOL, the same Morg that survive the ultimate Nullifier.

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Then there is also this, the same guy that survive said so black hole.

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Originally posted by darthgoober
Again, I haven't even mentioned Supes's feats. I'm simply pointing out that feats matter on KMC despite your desire to say that they don't.

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Originally posted by Smurph
If you punched me in the face, no, I don't think that I would describe the black eye as the primary effect of the punch, even if it was your priority, or the only effect you cared about causing.

I would tell you that the primary effect would probably be pain.

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Originally posted by Smurph
Obviously this is all a matter of perspective, which brings us back the point: it's worth specifying that the black hole was an "accompanying, consequential effect", because it underlines that Surfer created it in a roundabout way, which emphasizes the ease with which he did it. It offers that perspective.

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Originally posted by darthgoober
Yup I still like to lurk, me going back to actually bothing to chime in my 2 cents is still a relatively recent even though. Most of the time it's not worth the trouble.

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Originally posted by Cogito
Someone want to post actual scans of the entire black hole incident?

Not that it really matters as Superman has held a black hole in his hands.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Except when they suit your agenda, they don't.

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Originally posted by Smurph
Well, I've been helping Phil with definitions, so I got you covered on this one: generated does not mean 'main goal'.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/generated

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And also, a main goal can be an "accompanying, consequential effect".