None of the sources offer a convincing case for it, period.
Thankfully, George Lucas did not bother with the 'most powerful' nonsense in Star Wars.
Yoda soundly countered any move of Count Dooku in Episode II. More importantly, Yoda had no intention of killing Count Dooku in a fight. Heck, Yoda did not issue a single offense with his Force powers against Count. Yoda attempted to subdue Count with his dueling skills (only) but this was not a sound decision on his part because Count's skills with a lightsaber were second to none and Yoda ended-up fighting Count on his strong points. You don't win a fight like that, easily.
Palpatine clearly demonstrated his superiority to Count Dooku in strength when he put him in a choke-hold from across the breath of the galaxy (hologram being the gateway of contact in this case of-course). If Palpatine wanted to, he would have killed Count right then and there but how would he convince Anakin Skywalker to do his bidding afterwards?
You can cite as many quotes as you want, they don't circumvent the greater realities of the lore. Yoda and Palpatine - each would humiliate Count in a straightforward fight. Count himself realized as much.
Valkorion is even more deadly with Force powers. He will crush Count without breaking a sweat.
Mace Windu is also almost irrelevant here. People have taken his one-off performance against Palpatine at face value; several sources have clearly pointed out that Palpatine was faking his defeat in order to convince Anakin to join him.
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on May 3rd, 2017 at 04:48 PM
1. Whether you're convinced is utterly irrelevant. Sids's superiority even before rots is canonical fact
2. Yoda defeaing dooku hardly changes that dooku competed with him with the ladtest sources indicating they nearly stalemated. And as az's quote makes clear, regardless of whether yoda made use of force powers or not, he coulld not outright defeat dooku with them
3. Sids choking dooku when he had his defenses down doesn;t change anything. Your inability to accept canon is noted, but irrekevant,
4. Valk is a canonical inferior to both yoda and sids, even just talking in terms of force powers. If yoda can't do it, valk certainly can't
5. Whether he threw the fght is irrelevant, Sids gas lucas's own statement saying outright that mace can compete with the emperor
"The old Master was so accomplished in every aspect of the Force that until the Battle of Geonosis he had rarely needed to resort to his weapon. When he did, he proved as masterful with it as without."
Anyone who thinks valk can outperform yoda here is just kidding hemself
Mace can only compete with Sidious using Vaapad. Which is massively circumstantial, and won't work on Valkorion at all, since the darkness needs to come from within oneself. As for Dooku, Yoda needed to "resort to his weapon" in order to fight a duel. I really don't see where the implication that he's ~ Yoda is coming from, since the quote never implied any parity between the two whatsoever.
Also, Valkorion's perfectly capable of beating Yoda, lmfao.
He couldn't outright defeat dooku without use of his blade in spite of him being :so "accomplished in every aspect of the force". Yoda couldn't outright defeat dooku with his force powers.
2. What part of, yoda is a equal.near equal for valk's canonical superior do you struggle to understand?
It's relevant because it indicates that regardless of whether yoda is more powerful, the gap wasn't big enough for him to avoid a light saber fight.
So if yoda can't outright beat him with the force, then logically neither can his inferiors. And unlike yoda, valk can't beat dolly in a saber duel. All he can do is prolong the fight with tutaminis
And Yoda can beat Dooku with the Force. In case you didn't notice, he fleed, and their 'Force contest' was all about Yoda blocking and stopping everything Dooku sent him.
1. Yoda's parity with valk's canonical superior says otherwise
2. Dooku, fled after a saber duel. yoda's ability to block all of dooku's attacks is perfectly fine, but it doesn't at all mean dooku can't be close enough to yoda that yoda can't just take him out with tk. Given the quote, dooku is beyond yoda's ability to outright beat with powers. And as yoda is more powerful than valk(and yes, thanks to scaling he absolutely is), its illogical to think valk can do what yoda cna't
Yoda never even tried to defeat Dooku in the Force. He never threw an offensive attack (aside from sending Dooku's lightning back at him). Yoda was entirely reacting to what Dooku was doing.
Valkorion one-shotting Marr and Arcann is enough to put him quite decisively above Dooku, considering Dooku can't one-shot Arcann or Marr.
1. Yoda did not bring his powers to bear against Count Dooku during the fight.
2. Yoda simply shrug-off Dooku's attacks and remarked:
"Much to learn, you still have." (looks like Yoda was not impressed. Kinda embarrassing for Dooku, right?)
3. Yoda chose to disarm Dooku with his dueling skills but this didn't work out.
I don't give a damn about a quote in this case when I can draw conclusions from the more reliable source.
Dooku is not in the league of Yoda; Dooku will not be able to compete with Yoda, should the latter decide to eliminate him.
And how do you know Dooku's defenses were down at that point?
I entertain reason, not sweeping statements.
WRONG again.
And Valkorion's combative strategy is much different from that of Yoda. Unlike the Jedi, Valkorion does not have a soft spot for Dooku and will not hold back.
In lightsaber combat.
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on May 6th, 2017 at 07:58 PM
May 3rd, 2017 12:32 PM
What part of, yoda is a equal.near equal for valk's canonical superior do you struggle to understand?
