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Esau Cairn
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I never followed HellBoy issue by issue as a comic so I'm not familiar with the Asian character in mind.

But did his ethnicity actually add any substance to the story he was portrayed in?

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That's beside the point if his ethnicity added something or not

also his parents were Asian, So of course he's going to be Asian or are you wishing they pull a F4 move again?


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Lol you really hate black people don't you?

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Surtur probably would've been a slave owner back in the day.


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Ed Skein exits the movie after white washing controversary

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/e...ing-1202540677/

if only more actors/Actress's did that.


But nobody cared that Scarlett Johansson played the Major in Ghost in the Shell.

To an extent, I guess.


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Surtur probably would've been a slave owner back in the day.


Many A list celebrities found out ther ancestors were slave owners or decendants of nazis. Like Chelsea Handler, her grandparents were Nazis and Ben Aflecs were slave owners.


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That's beside the point if his ethnicity added something or not

also his parents were Asian,


IT IS the point.

If the character's ethnicity in the source material didn't add any significance to the story itself then why bother make "whitewashing" an issue?

And yup, most Asians tend to have Asian parents.

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But nobody cared that Scarlett Johansson played the Major in Ghost in the Shell.


I seem to recall people did complain about that. But the complaints didn't make any sense. I even saw interviews of Japanese people on the street saying that Scar Jo seemed like a great fit for the role.


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IT IS the point.

If the character's ethnicity in the source material didn't add any significance to the story itself then why bother make "whitewashing" an issue?

And yup, most Asians tend to have Asian parents.


because a lot of people care about the source material being at least somewhat well translated.

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I seem to recall people did complain about that. But the complaints didn't make any sense. I even saw interviews of Japanese people on the street saying that Scar Jo seemed like a great fit for the role.


yeah they really didn't seem bothered by it at all. then again, they are used to a lot of anime characters being more like white people than Asians, so that might contribute.


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yeah they really didn't seem bothered by it at all. then again, they are used to a lot of anime characters being more like white people than Asians, so that might contribute.


The character from the anime doesn't look Asian. She has big American blue eyes. So yeah, she was cast well.


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The character from the anime doesn't look Asian. She has big American blue eyes. So yeah, she was cast well.


That was my point... Sort of.


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I seem to remember a pretty big outcry over Ghost in the Shell reboot casting Johanson.

I honestly didn't even hear about this Hellboy outcry until the actor decided to step aside.


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What'll be funny is if they hire someone else who doesn't fit the role.


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The character from the anime doesn't look Asian. She has big American blue eyes. So yeah, she was cast well.


This was my thing when I saw people whining over the Airbender movie. Look, that shit was horrible beyond belief, but Aang in the tv series does NOT look like a small asian boy. He just doesn't, not to me. There are definitely characters in that universe who actually do look actually Asian. In the cartoons Aang looks like a little bald white kid with tats.

But I just want people to simplify stuff: if you're using source material cast the correct race, period. If a character is white find a white person, if they are black find a black person. It is not edgy to do a gender or race swap. Was the latest Fantastic Four made better because Johnny was black? Did it pave the way for more black actors?

If people will see this and begin to want to shout about "but the lack of opportunities"...no. There are plenty of books, etc. with black characters as the main characters. Or *gasp* write some new material with minorities in the leads. Stop trying to break racial boundaries by merely swapping a black dude in for a white dude. It's laziness not progress.


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because a lot of people care about the source material being at least somewhat well translated.



And if you read Major Ben Daimio's background the only mention & relevance to being Asian was that his grandmother was an infamous war criminal.

Which he promptly states that even the US Army wasn't concerned about.

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So if the ethnicity adds no significance then it is okay to cast someone of a different race? Does this apply to only characters who are white in the source material, or *any* character? For instance being black certainly doesn't add significance to every single black character, I'm sure you would agree.


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Juz talking about this one character bro.

Really seems to have made no difference to the stories though.

And if a female singer covers a song where the lyrics are about loving a girl, does that automatically make the female singer a lesbian?

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Juz talking about this one character bro.

Really seems to have made no difference to the stories though.

And if a female singer covers a song where the lyrics are about loving a girl, does that automatically make the female singer a lesbian?


As to your question, no, but I knew you were talking about one character. I was wondering how you would apply this in general.


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No but if he stole from another billionaire that would be one thing. But we'd all look at him very differently if he stole from a charity. That'd be a new sort of low.

So the point is a valid one. Sort out prejudices first, then work on double standards towards those who already get everything.


Prejudices, like saying something is ok, so long as it only happens to white people?


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