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Originally posted by xJLxKing
Prime was able to tank attacks that are universal in power from Mordu
He hasnít gotten beat physically by anyone yet.
He took a hit from universal explosion
He can withstand without problem Antimonitor energy which in reality was enough to technically poison and eventually kill a Guardian

So yes, without BFR, I donít see how a they can really kill him.


A) Mordru never attacked him with that much power...

B) Except the Teen Titans... And he was struggling against Superboy and also against two Supermen...

C) The Universal explosion simply made him Quantum Jump so he didn't really tank it...

D) Or not... IIRC the Antimonitor needed a team effort to be beaten and Guardian's durability is shit.


A few means of how they can kill him:

For Sentry:

- Disintegrate him
- Punch him until he dies.
- Grab him with infinitendrils and dismember him.
- Grab him and split him in two.
- Lobotomize him with telepathy aka destroying his mind.
- Posses him with negative energy.
- Atomize him with an energy blast.

And that's just the 7 ways to beat him that are coming to my mind.

For Thor:

- Hit him until he dies.
- Change him into air and put him in a bottle.
- Disintegrate him with several energy blasts.
- Banish him into another dimension.
- Create a red sun via magic.
- Create a Krytonite moon via magic.

That's just 6 other means to kill him that comes into my mind and what Thor can do with magic, Sentry can do it via reality warping.


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A) Mordru never attacked him with that much power...

B) Except the Teen Titans... And he was struggling against Superboy and also against two Supermen...

C) The Universal explosion simply made him Quantum Jump so he didn't really tank it...

D) Or not... IIRC the Antimonitor needed a team effort to be beaten and Guardian's durability is shit.


A few means of how they can kill him:

For Sentry:

- Disintegrate him
- Punch him until he dies.
- Grab him with infinitendrils and dismember him.
- Grab him and split him in two.
- Lobotomize him with telepathy aka destroying his mind.
- Posses him with negative energy.
- Atomize him with an energy blast.

And that's just the 7 ways to beat him that are coming to my mind.

For Thor:

- Hit him until he dies.
- Change him into air and put him in a bottle.
- Disintegrate him with several energy blasts.
- Banish him into another dimension.
- Create a red sun via magic.
- Create a Krytonite moon via magic.

That's just 6 other means to kill him that comes into my mind and what Thor can do with magic, Sentry can do it via reality warping.


Nothing of what you have stated is accurate

Mordu didnít hit him with full power? Where was this stated? Are you implying based on how the attack looked? Iím sure Mordru was shocked that SBP survived the attackerís because he wanted to tickle him, right? It has nothing to do that he absorbed the magic of the universe and attempted to defeat prime with it but it was ineffective. Iím not convinced that Thorís magic can affect him directly. Sure, there are possibility like you mentioned IE BFR

SBP tanked the universal explosion. He was at zero impact (thatís the term right). We also saw him get transported by SBP to the future.

Why is Guardians durability shit?

Also, itís not about the effort to be taken down. Itís the fact that AMs energy doesnít effect Prime but it hurts and kill everyone else with a touch.

Everything else you stated is either BFR or complete speculation.


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Nothing of what you have stated is accurate

Mordu didnít hit him with full power? Where was this stated? Are you implying based on how the attack looked? Iím sure Mordru was shocked that SBP survived the attackerís because he wanted to tickle him, right? It has nothing to do that he absorbed the magic of the universe and attempted to defeat prime with it but it was ineffective. Iím not convinced that Thorís magic can affect him directly. Sure, there are possibility like you mentioned IE BFR

SBP tanked the universal explosion. He was at zero impact (thatís the term right). We also saw him get transported by SBP to the future.

Why is Guardians durability shit?

Also, itís not about the effort to be taken down. Itís the fact that AMs energy doesnít effect Prime but it hurts and kill everyone else with a touch.

Everything else you stated is either BFR or complete speculation.


Oh really ? The wilfull ignorance is your main strategy in a debate...

Of course that's on how the attack looked and the context. Mordru wasn't trying to kill prime. He throwed weak fireballs at him. You literally took Ex Culo your "Mordru hit him with an Universal blast"... It is nowhere stated that your fan-fiction "he absorbed the magic of the universe and trie to defeat prime with it..." actually exist.
Mordru was pissed off and throwed some weak fireballs at Prime to punish him of his childish behaviour. Period.

Thor's magic shouldn't work based on what ? As far as I know Prime doesn't have Superman's weakness to Magic but he doesn't have an immunity to magic either.

SBP didn't tank the energy of the explosion, he was Quntum Jumped by it and he needed the help of the Time Trapper to save him.

Why the durability of the Guardians is shit ? Really ? Please post a feat of them enduring something powerful and I'm not talking about an energy that they control.

Rofl. Where does AM energy doesn't affect Prime now ? Please post the scan.

Absolutely not. Read my post again.


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Oh really ? The wilfull ignorance is your main strategy in a debate...

Of course that's on how the attack looked and the context. Mordru wasn't trying to kill prime. He throwed weak fireballs at him. You literally took Ex Culo your "Mordru hit him with an Universal blast"... It is nowhere stated that your fan-fiction "he absorbed the magic of the universe and trie to defeat prime with it..." actually exist.
Mordru was pissed off and throwed some weak fireballs at Prime to punish him of his childish behaviour. Period.

Thor's magic shouldn't work based on what ? As far as I know Prime doesn't have Superman's weakness to Magic but he doesn't have an immunity to magic either.

SBP didn't tank the energy of the explosion, he was Quntum Jumped by it and he needed the help of the Time Trapper to save him.

Why the durability of the Guardians is shit ? Really ? Please post a feat of them enduring something powerful and I'm not talking about an energy that they control.

Rofl. Where does AM energy doesn't affect Prime now ? Please post the scan.

Absolutely not. Read my post again.


Please show where it is stated the following

1. Power of mordru's attack. All we know is that he absorbed ALL the magic in the universe. He then attacked SBP while using that power. Was his attack universal, i never said that. I said, he wielded that power. To try and down play that is idiotic
2. that SBP "Quntum Jumped" the explosion LOL
3. It's been stated that he is nearly immune to it.

Sorry, I'm not going into the trouble of getting the scan and posting it for you. Go read it, if you want, i can tell you comic, page, and panel.


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Please show where it is stated the following

1. Power of mordru's attack. All we know is that he absorbed ALL the magic in the universe. He then attacked SBP while using that power. Was his attack universal, i never said that. I said, he wielded that power. To try and down play that is idiotic


You said it, literally:

Quoting yourself:

"Prime was able to tank attacks that are universal in power from Mordu"

You are backtracking then. That"s good.

He throwed tiny fireball at SBP.

He acted like this because he was pissed off.

I'm not downplaying but you are directly contradicting yourself.


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2. that SBP "Quntum Jumped" the explosion LOL


I stated that SBP was Quantum Jumped by the explosion.

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3. It's been stated that he is nearly immune to it.


It has been stated that he doesn't have Superman's weakness to it.

The magic immunity is fan-made bullshit.

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Sorry, I'm not going into the trouble of getting the scan and posting it for you. Go read it, if you want, i can tell you comic, page, and panel.


If you don't want to back-up your claims you better stay out of the debate.


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Superman oneshots both of them.


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Superman get blown out like the little candle he is.


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Superman get blown out like the little candle he is.


Are you a DISCIPLE of Quan?

ANSWER ME!!!!


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Are you a DISCIPLE of Quan?

ANSWER ME!!!!


Quan is my disciple and Abhi is my Jester.


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You said it, literally:

Quoting yourself:

"Prime was able to tank attacks that are universal in power from Mordu"

You are backtracking then. That"s good.

He throwed tiny fireball at SBP.

He acted like this because he was pissed off.

I'm not downplaying but you are directly contradicting yourself.




I stated that SBP was Quantum Jumped by the explosion.



It has been stated that he doesn't have Superman's weakness to it.

The magic immunity is fan-made bullshit.



If you don't want to back-up your claims you better stay out of the debate.


1. I worded that wrongly. Was on the phone. At this point it's beyond idiotic to try and claim Mordru was not attempting to hurt SBP. It's not even logical. You are trying to argue that Mordru, with the power of all the magic in the universe, thew a puny, tiny little fireball at SPB and WAS SHOCKED THAT HE SURVIVED. Nothing in the panel suggest that. Quite the opposite

2. You stated that SBP Quantum Jumped? I don't give a flying hot dog what you stated. Where was that stated on panel.

3. Find me someone that actually used magic against him. It's clear that he doesn't get affect by it

4. I didn't say I'm not backing my claim. I said, I'll give you the comic, page, and even the panel but I wont be uploading shit on imgur for you


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Also Dark Avengers feat for Sentry is not allowed for regular Sentry and is only for that arc as per forum rules.
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There have been arguments about Sentry, Void, Siege and Molecule Man. This has been an on again, off again discussion among mods and a few posters.

We think the best way to handle the disagreement is as follows:

  • Siege Sentry/Void should be a self contained character within the arc for thread purposes. And not applied to anything before Siege.

  • Sentry and Void feats are not interchangeable, at all.

  • Siege feats by Sentry and Void should not be applied to anything preceding the arc.

  • The Molecule Man vs Sentry/Void fight shouldn't be considered a typical or average showing since the power displayed happened only once and therefore isn't verifiable. Also, Owen's erratic past regarding his own mental state should be considered.


It's apparent that Sentry/Void was evolving during Siege by the feats and dialogue. It's also shown that Sentry was "voiding" out even when he still looked like regular Sentry. Given the ambiguity regarding Sentry/Void, we think it's for the best that the character be separated by the Siege arc.

So, to avoid excess flaming and bashing, we would like threads to show either the Siege Sentry/Void or regular Sentry/Void to avoid any problems.

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1. I worded that wrongly. Was on the phone. At this point it's beyond idiotic to try and claim Mordru was not attempting to hurt SBP. It's not even logical. You are trying to argue that Mordru, with the power of all the magic in the universe, thew a puny, tiny little fireball at SPB and WAS SHOCKED THAT HE SURVIVED. Nothing in the panel suggest that. Quite the opposite



There is a big difference between "slapping" SBP for his immature behaviour and trying to actively kill him.

It's crystal clear that Mordru is just "slapping" SBP, magically speaking, on panel.

The context and the size/power of the tiny fireballs he shoot is obvious.

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2. You stated that SBP Quantum Jumped? I don't give a flying hot dog what you stated. Where was that stated on panel.


That's SHOWN on panel.

Monarch regular and far less powerful blast hurted SMP, SBP was simply QJ.

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3. Find me someone that actually used magic against him. It's clear that he doesn't get affect by it


Wrong again.

Magic bypasses Superman durability, SBP just tank magical attacks like everything else. He isn't immune to it.

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4. I didn't say I'm not backing my claim. I said, I'll give you the comic, page, and even the panel but I wont be uploading shit on imgur for you


Give it then.

Sentry solos.


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Anyway moving on.

Dark Avengers feat for Sentry is not allowed for regular Sentry and is only for that arc as per forum rules.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...+userid%3A89307

Have any issues? Take it with mods.

Once again breaking mod's regulations.


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Once again breaking mod's regulations.


I am not breaking anything. I am still looking at your poor flaming/baiting the way it has to be coming from someone incapable to argue for a fictional character.

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There you have Void using Molecular Manipulation/Reality Warping during Siege.

Can we move on now that you have done your pathetic tantrum ?


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You can use Sentry killing Loki. Using Sentry beating Owen as an average is strictly against mod ruling.

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The Molecule Man vs Sentry/Void fight shouldn't be considered a typical or average showing since the power displayed happened only once and therefore isn't verifiable. Also, Owen's erratic past regarding his own mental state should be considered.


So you know the only feat you trumpet in every thread using it as average is against forum rules.
So let's see how much you can wank Sentry without that single showing because every time you bring it up as an average feat for Sentry or default power level, it is breaking forum rules.

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Psionic powers like reality warping/molecule manipulation only needs a thought to be effective thus the team 2 being wished out of existence on a whim until proved otherwise.

Sincerely yours,

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Psionic powers like reality warping/molecule manipulation only needs a thought to be effective thus the team 2 being wished out of existence on a whim until proved otherwise.

Sincerely yours,

RW.


But you have to prove that Sentry can wish anything out of existence. He never did such a thing. He killed Loki (didn't wish him out of existence) by debatable means.

Then you have to prove that
1. Matter manipulate
2. Matter manipulate something of Prime's durability or higher
3. Choose to try to matter manipulate more than 5/10 fights.


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But you have to prove that Sentry can wish anything out of existence. He never did such a thing. He killed Loki (didn't wish him out of existence) by debatable means.

Then you have to prove that
1. Matter manipulate
2. Matter manipulate something of Prime's durability or higher
3. Choose to try to matter manipulate more than 5/10 fights.


I don't have to prove something that he already did.

And Molecule Manipulation and Matter Manipulation are different powers.


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And durability doesn't matter against Molecule Manipulation.


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