Except Superman wasn't punching with a cross or a jab, at least not in the usual way it's done in boxing. He was winding back and then delivering a straight punch.
Lets say superman and wonder woman were equal speed. Or, if superman is faster, it's not by much. What if superman does tag wonder woman? Will that put her down? Let's say he does heat vision her in the face without her having a shield. Will that put her down? We have seen her take STRONGER heat vision from Doomsday to the face and she got right back up with out a scratch and lassoed him and held him.
Given WW's superior combat skills, comparable speed, and similar strength, what would superman do to her that she could not effectively counter with a deadlier move?
Let's say he goes to grab her to "drag her to the sun". What's to stop her, with her bullet timing reflexes and speed, from countering that with a joint lock or wrestling move?
Since we are using Movie versions, Wrestling seems to be a viable martial art that Amazons were being trained to use at the beginning of the movie as well has acrobatics. Think of Wrestling and Wing Chun at superspeed.
Wonder woman also seems to be an expert on redirecting body weight and controlling limbs as levers of of the body, much like a true martial artist, which she is.
Basically, what can superman do that she can't effectively counter with a more devastating move?
Do you realize how dumb you just made yourself sound? If something is done in real time then obviously it's done in normal time. That's why it's called real time. That scene was done in real time and not utilizing any slow motion effects... yet Superman was still only punching at regular speed.
That's all the proof you need and it's way better than the proof you've come up with which is basically nothing.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Yes, they were flying in real time. They were flying in real time extremely fast, whereas they were only punching in real time with regular speed. Do you see the difference? If two actions were performed in real time and one was done extremely fast whereas the other was done pretty slow, you'd have to be an idiot to claim that they were done equally fast. That's like saying someone who's walking is just as fast as someone sprinting.
When slow-motion is used in the movie 300, the Spartans are moving about just as slowly as everyone else around them. That's quite different from how it's used in Wonder Woman, where Wonder Woman seems to be moving in regular speed whereas everyone is moving in slow motion. This shows that she's clearly a lot faster than they are. Do you see the difference?
Yes, my argument is that you need some kind of visual clue as to how fast something is moving in a movie for you to say it's superspeed. It's not like we can touch the characters in the movie to know whether they're moving in superspeed after all. And though you may think visual proof is a shallow form of proof, it's still lightyears better than your "They have superspeed because I said so" mentality.
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Yes, that's a valid tactic. There's no proof that Wonder Woman can breathe in space. Superman doesn't even need to go that far up, he can just drop WW from a thousand feet up in the air. She's tough but I doubt she can survive a drop like that.
Of course, this is assuming that Superman can hold on to her long enough to fly her up. Not as easy to do on someone with her skill, speed and weapons. Still, it's definitely possible.
To be clear on my stance here, I'm not saying WW wins this match. I think they both have equal chances of winning. Superman has the advantage in strength, durability and flight whereas WW has the advantage in skill and weaponry. My peeve is this whole idea that Superman is faster than WW. Superman has shown much greater travel speed, in the sense that he can fly and bullrush extremely fast. But he has no feats to equal the kind of precision movements Diana does in super speed. Like the latest JL trailer where Diana casually dodges a bullet when it's about a foot away from her face.
Superman got Doomsday up there, so I don't see why not. He's capable of reaching space in seconds, according to BvS.
Well, I guess we're gonna have to agree to disagree about the speed. It comes down to that "who's faster, Bruce Lee or Usain Bolt" argument they had in the comics.
However, I think we can all agree that Diana needs weapons to beat an unarmed Superman. In pure H2H she has absolutely no chance.
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