He argues inconsistency cinematography when it helps him, but trys to avoid addressing the director chosen cinematography between Synder and Jenkins. He is also arguing that a blur means someone is slower. This is just called bias, plain and simple.
I'm not really interested in debating non-arguments and grasping at straws, so unless something new is brought up [highly unlikely, given we've already talked about all that Wonder Woman did], I stand by Superman 10/10 in the first, and 7-8/10 in the second.
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I haven't read the thread yet, but if this statement is indicative of the quality of discussion in here I'm not sure I should bother.
I decided to rewatch this scene immediately upon reading this post, and what I see is: Faora dancing around Clark in their 1v1, Faora and Namek running a rape train on Clark when they double-team him, Faora getting distracted by the military while Clark beats up Namek 1v1, and while Faora is villain monolouging to Law and Order Guy Clark LITERALLY sucker-punches her from behind and breaks her mask, which ends the fight immediately because she's suffocating in Earth's atmosphere.
In what possible world does this constitute as "Superman beat them both at the same time"?
Edit-sorry if there's any typos here. I have to type all this on a tablet and KMC hates my tablet for some reason. I can't even see the entirr top half of the site at any given time lol
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The discussion has nothing to do with Superman beating both of them btw, it's centered around Faora > WW in speed. But you wouldn't know that, since a single line triggered you out of the thread.
Interesting - is your method of watching movies looking at a scene, taking a nap, waking up and looking at it again, then going back to sleep, and filling the gaps with whatever suits you? Here - let me fill some holes for you there:
- Faora starts strong [sociopathic soldier vs farmboy's first fight], remarking on how Clark is unsure of himself, limited by his sense of morality, but as the fight advances she starts getting punched around, Nam-Ek intervenes on her behalf by sucker punching Superman
- They tag-team him, Superman treats Faora as a nuisance while he is on his back, blocking her attacks and twice putting her down, then literally uses her as a battering ram to get Nam-Ek off, grabs her to fly away, but he is pinned down
- He stops Nam-Ek's punch with one hand, and heat visions them both off of him.
- the army intervenes
- Superman saves the soldier from the falling helicopter and gets sucker punched again by Nam-Ek, but still beats him down.
- finally, hits her just before she kills the Colonel, breaking her mask.
If it sounds better for you, he is superior to either of them individually, and had an interrupted fight with them together, which started with a sucker punch [I guess it only counts when you want it to?]. The fact that he needed one more strike to destroy her mask shows that if not for the army, he would have won against both of them either way.
Not too bad for literally his first fight against ruthless highly trained kryptonian soldiers.
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Last edited by Philosophía on Jun 8th, 2017 at 08:39 PM
^ Uh...so not to say that WW is faster than Superman but I think that it should be brought up that in addition to her own movie she still has her fight against Doomsday to pull from. Also, as far as Round 2 goes, WW was able to block Doomsday attacks with her shield including the heat vision which we know is better than Superman's own.
Also why is Smallville Clark being brought into this?
It's weird how people will shit on Superman's combat speed when his fights feature him zipping through an entire city with sharp turns and breakneck maneuvers while brawling with Zod before taking the fight into outer space in moments, and his opponents in the thread's fights almost invariably do not.
Indeed, Superman hate is real. From this thread, I am convinced people go to the movies now with the express intent on figuring out a way to low ball any Superman feat and want any lesser feat because the movie might be better overall.
I still have not seen Hulk or Thor or Diana traverse the planet in seconds, or pull an ocean liner through the ice or catch an exploding space rocket or survive a nuke and live to tell about it.
Not sure how they compare to a nuke, but the bifrost explosion and the AOU blast we're both fairly impressive
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Also, much of the lowballing is plain ol' fashioned hating on Supes. It can't really be denied that there is a dedicated Supes hate squad here. The real question is why these people hate Supes so much.
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^ Actually, we're just calling it as is. Superman flies fast but he doesn't fight fast. After all, he got tagged by Doomsday more often than Doomsday tagged WW. A lot of Superman fans seem unwilling to acknowledge that MOS Superman is not the same as comic Superman or even Donner Superman.
Except you've been shown scenes of him fighting at super speed. Of catching things at super speed. Of moving and reacting at super speed. Of a movie description talking about his reflexes. Not to mention it is quite frankly stupid at worst and intellectually dishonest at best to say that he can move and change directions and react at super speed, but not fight at super speed. Seriously.
Also, WW got tagged plenty, or did you not see her get smacked around? Difference is she used her shield. Also, in her movie she got tagged by things. In addition, flash gets tagged all the time. Does that mean he is slow? Of course not, the story needs him to get tagged. Getting tagged by a slower opponent does not mean someone doesn't have super speed. You should know that. If you have watched literally anything super hero related, you really should know that.
According to him, it only counts when Superman gets hit by someone, but if Wonder Woman gets hit by someone well its "cinematography inconsitencies." Either this guy is blind, or he is just purposely misrepresenting characters.
Nobody has ever denied that Superman has some level of superspeed. it's just that Superman fans can't tell the difference between throwing punches while flying and things like reading a book while everyone around you is frozen in time.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
More of a comic book fan myself then a "Superman fan." As I said before Marvel makes better movies, but I call it like I see it.
However I believe you did say you were a Wonder Woman fan, and she was one your favorite superhero's. How is it you can claim you are bias free, but then imply Superman fans bias?
Post the quotes in this thread that you believe show my bias.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
So your idea of bias is me telling the truth, or are you claiming that I was wrong about RPG's being slower and larger than bullets?
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
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