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Damborgson
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Where is this so called Toriyama interview where he confirms no one will surpass Beerus from the cast?


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Maybe the same interview where he said Goku will never beat Superman.


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Where is this so called Toriyama interview where he confirms no one will surpass Beerus from the cast?

I used to see it posted before though harder to find it now, but all Toriyama said basically was that he had no plans at the time for them to surpass Beerus and Whis. That could always change however, especially with how they're building up the hype with the tournament of power by mentioning some dude whose said to be stronger than all the gods of destruction...


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Well, Toriyama did say


Never trust Toriyama. I swear he is the biggest troll.


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That or he just makes too many changes on the go which renders most of what he previously says irrelevant.


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Maybe the same interview where he said Goku will never beat Superman.


Heh heh.


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Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
I used to see it posted before though harder to find it now, but all Toriyama said basically was that he had no plans at the time for them to surpass Beerus and Whis. That could always change however, especially with how they're building up the hype with the tournament of power by mentioning some dude whose said to be stronger than all the gods of destruction...


Alright, thanks. Didnt think it was as big as it was getting made out to be.


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What is that gold form anyways?

Freeza's other transformation are permenant, in the sense he can't be knocked out of it or expend any effort maintaining them. While the Gold form was treated more like a conventional SSJ upgrade, dropping off when he became exausted..

It's unusual for him, considering how his transfomations are usually treated.


The gold form is the only form Frieza uses to become stronger. In the Namek Saga Frieza's "base" form was actually his Final Form. That was the form he had when he was born but since he couldn't control the power of that form he created several weaker forms and that's what he used as his normal form.

This golden form is the only time Frieza got a form to surpass his normal limitations so yeah it's very much like the SSJ transformation


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Where is this so called Toriyama interview where he confirms no one will surpass Beerus from the cast?
Wasn't that interview years ago? Maybe the author want this arc to be where Goku and friends are at least nearing Sidra level of power and later on, maybe surpass Beerus.


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What, get beat up by Vegeta?

Vegeta and Goku became > Black.


Is that why Scythe Black was beating them easily simultaneously and mocking them (and could easily kill them, but didn't so that he would again go further in power level)?

Is that why Black destroyed all gods in all 12 universes?

Is that why in the end Black was defeated by Zeno?

Is that why Black is the only villain who defeated Z warriors and won the war (and like above, them resorting to Zeno)?

What Black did is something Freeza can only dream of.

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It was merged Zamasu and Black that did that. Black by himself was getting punked by Vegeta.

If Trunks Piccolo didn't screw up the Mafuba, Zamasu would have been captured and Goku/Vegeta would have finished Black off.


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Black by himself was getting punked by Vegeta.


Is that why moments later Scythe Black was beating them easily simultaneously and mocking them and making them useless?

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Scythe Black > Vegeta and Goku as a team = facts wink

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Specially seeing how in four months he jumped higher than a power that took Goku 12 years to achieve after, with Zenkai and constant training abandoning his family. I mean sure, 32,000 at max in Saiyan Saga to 150 million is a big jump but not anywhere near what freeza did. And after that we really don't know how big his jumps go.
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Where PLs are concerned, all we really know is that as of BoG, Goku's base PL was still < Freeza... Which means it was still < 12m.

Granted, Goku attained 'Godhood' shortly after he initially confronted Beerus & Whis on King Kaio's world(which made PLs entirely moot anyway), but it goes to show that in the ~16 years between the Freeza saga and BoG, Goku certainly wasn't receiving natural zenkais/power-ups en gros, like he was prior to that... Even though he spent nearly every waking minute training.


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Frieza's FF PL was 120 million, not 12. Your point still stands, though.


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Lol, yeah sorry. Forgot the "0". thumb up


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Well, we know that Beerus lied to Goku and Vegeta about his power level in the BOG arc, but it's not impossible to scale assuming he was at least consistent. For example, Beerus claimed* he needed 10% of his power to stop enraged SSJ2 Vegeta's Galick Gun, then claimed* he used 100% power when he defeated SSJG Goku. In that case, isn't it reasonable to assume that SSJG is somewhere in the general ballpark of 10x enraged SSJ2 Vegeta, who is supposed to be somewhat comparable to (but stronger than) SSJ3 Goku?

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Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta is above SSJ3 Goku. But yeah, Beerus was being a lying cuck anyways.


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He'd be better than Beerus that is for sure.


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Frieza a better GoD than Beerus? Disagree. Beerus at least has a sense of duty as pointed out. Not the best sense mind you but certainly more than Frieza, who would phuck over his own universe and jump ship into one of the other universes if it benefited him.


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