Speaking of this...I forget, did this spirit ask Mary if it could impregnate her? Cuz if not it's also rape. I forget if consent was given or if she was only made aware of it after the fact.
__________________ Chicken Boo, what's the matter with you? You don't act like the other chickens do. You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man you're a Chicken Boo.
26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.
38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
Okay despite the hilarity of the line "and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be" how is this not horrifying? She is not asked if she wants to have God's kid, she is *told* she is going to be having God's kid.
So a horrifying eldritch abomination appears in human form to her, informs her she gonna get knocked up real good by an unseen force, tells her the fact she is a virgin is not a deal breaker cuz his boss has super impregnation powers.
She does at the end essentially say "well okay then" but this is not presented in a manner where it seems she has a choice.
God also hilariously left out the part about her kid being crucified later on.
Wouldn't it be funny though if in reality she merely cheated on Joseph and then blamed spirit magic? That would be smart, because first how does one even disprove that? Joseph had no way to show spirit magic was not at play. Also if he doubts it he is also potentially doubting God himself, so a double whammy.
__________________ Chicken Boo, what's the matter with you? You don't act like the other chickens do. You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man you're a Chicken Boo.
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That thought occurred to me long, long before now, as it has to many others.
Years ago, in fact, for me; decades ago for them.
I'm surprised YOU are just now pondering that.
Actually, this is one reason why a lot of secular historians and scholars believe Jesus really DID exist -- take away the supernatural elements and you have the very plausible scenario of a young woman telling a tale tailored to the hopes of a religious community, endorsed by a kind older man (Joseph), that could save her life from what could otherwise be a lot of shame to herself and her family, and possibly even death sentence by stoning.
It's a point in favor of the historicity of Jesus.
Actually, the Bible directly answers those questions.
Joseph does NOT, assuming he was told it by this point, believe the virgin birth scenario. He thinks to quietly annul his relationship with Mary.
It takes Joseph's OWN encounter with God's messenger
to convince him the story is true ...
Matthew 1:
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.
20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.
It's good to know Joey wasn't a complete simp, but it's still quite disturbing she didn't really seem to be given a choice about getting spirit-pregnant.
__________________ Chicken Boo, what's the matter with you? You don't act like the other chickens do. You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man you're a Chicken Boo.
__________________ Paleontologists have tried to turn Archaeopteryx into an earth bound feathered dinosaur. But it is not. It is a bird, a perching bird. And no amount of 'paleobabble' is going to change that.-- Alan Feduccia-a world authority on birds, quoted in "Archaeopteryx:Early Bird Catches a Can of Worms," Science 1994, p.764-765
And you better be careful about quoting Kent Hovind around here.
You'll send these evolutionists/atheists into a frenzy lol. No one triggers them quite like he does even after all these years.
No creationist has more web sites devoted specifically to attacking them than he has. He is so despised by the atheist community because he so easily and so often exposes their unscientific lies.
__________________ Paleontologists have tried to turn Archaeopteryx into an earth bound feathered dinosaur. But it is not. It is a bird, a perching bird. And no amount of 'paleobabble' is going to change that.-- Alan Feduccia-a world authority on birds, quoted in "Archaeopteryx:Early Bird Catches a Can of Worms," Science 1994, p.764-765
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And? Doesn't matter how many people claim to agree with his stupidity? Doesn't make it anymore true.
I'm sure if you went over to China and loudly proclaimed that Communism is superior to Capitalism that the majority of people would agree with you.
There would be very few who dared to disagree with you because they know how dangerous doing so would be in a communist country such as theirs.
Point is, majority opinion doesn't prove jack squat. I'm sure a large majority of WW2 Germans thought that Hitler was the greatest man to ever walk the earth lol.
__________________ Paleontologists have tried to turn Archaeopteryx into an earth bound feathered dinosaur. But it is not. It is a bird, a perching bird. And no amount of 'paleobabble' is going to change that.-- Alan Feduccia-a world authority on birds, quoted in "Archaeopteryx:Early Bird Catches a Can of Worms," Science 1994, p.764-765
Star's existence is an important reminder that fundamentalists are not just some strawman atheists use to get a chuckle. There really are anti-evolution creationists in existence, who think evolution is just some unfounded hypothesis with no evidence backing it up.
Yet, they believe in God.
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O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoid profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.-- 1 Timothy 6:20-21 KJV
That's what evolutionism is: science falsely so called.
__________________ Paleontologists have tried to turn Archaeopteryx into an earth bound feathered dinosaur. But it is not. It is a bird, a perching bird. And no amount of 'paleobabble' is going to change that.-- Alan Feduccia-a world authority on birds, quoted in "Archaeopteryx:Early Bird Catches a Can of Worms," Science 1994, p.764-765
Your childish insulting of creationists does not change the fact that you have literally zero proof that your retarded evolutionism religion is scientifically based. It is a faith based, although tax-funded, religion.
Which is fine.... you can believe whatever you want but you shouldn't be calling it "science" and taxpayers should not be forced to pay for that crap being used to brainwash children.
I realize you're a neo-marxist though and without the unscienfic lie of Darwinism marxism and/or communism would never exist so I get why those on your side of the political spectrum want children to continue to be indoctrinated with that shit.
__________________ Paleontologists have tried to turn Archaeopteryx into an earth bound feathered dinosaur. But it is not. It is a bird, a perching bird. And no amount of 'paleobabble' is going to change that.-- Alan Feduccia-a world authority on birds, quoted in "Archaeopteryx:Early Bird Catches a Can of Worms," Science 1994, p.764-765
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