Yes, satan is the god of this age; the prince (or ruler) of this world.
That's why the world is so sinful, rebellious to God, evil, wicked, corrupt, unfair, unequal, and unjust.
That’s why there’s murder, terrorism, poverty, sickness, nuclear weapons, famine, recession, inflation, accidents, disease, natural disasters, pornography, drug addiction, alcoholism, theft, prostitution, mental illness, flooding or floods, natural disasters, bestiality, homosexuality, lesbianism gay lifestyle, bisexuality, transgenderism, embezzlement, depression, child molestations, abortion centers, war, sex trafficking, illegal drugs, guns, rape, masturbation, sodomy, gangs, genocide, racism, horoscopes, tarot cards, seances, Ouija boards, Angel boards, spirit guides, psychics, sorcery, demons, necromancy (i.e. talking to the dead like Luke Skywalker does with dead Obi-Wan), augury (i.e. interpreting omens), witchcraft, soothsaying (i.e. fortune telling), conjuring, spells, voodoo, hoodoo, santeria, devil worship/satanism, divination, the practice of mediums (i.e. calling up the dead—which are really demons disguised as, and impersonating loved ones, spiritism (or spiritualism), animism, the occult, wicca, false religions (i.e. Islam, Mormonism, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, Catholicism, Buddhism, Hinduism, all salvation-based on/works-based religions, etc.), stargazing (i.e. astrology), prognostication, death, sorrow, and pain.
Have you ever heard the phrase, "Hell on Earth."?
Did you ever wonder where that phrase came from?
The suffering and torment that people experience in this life as a result of sin, death, the curse, and the devil—PALES IN COMPARISON to the suffering and torment that awaits them in Hell (IF THEY DIE IN THEIR SINS WITHOUT CHRIST).
As far as the Father (God) drawing me to His Son, you do err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God. In addition, you do not know how God operates. You see, God is Love, so EVERYTHING that He does is a MANIFESTATION of Who He is (which is Love).
So LOVE drew me to His Son.
It has NOTHING to do with the mind.
You see, God is a SPIRIT, and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth. But let me digress for a moment. The love that you have for someone (be it a parent, sibling, relative, friend, significant other, pet, etc.), was it what DREW you to him or her? Was it what DREW him or her to you? Was there any “mind rape” involved in that love?
It is MORE AMAZING, requires MORE POWER, an is a GREATER MIRACLE, to rise from the dead after THREE DAYS and THREE NIGHTS, than to do so the next day. Plus, the Lord Jesus’ resurrection is REAL—NOT mythological, NOR fictional like Thor and his goats.
Have you read my first post in Resurrection of the Lord Jesus: Fact or Fiction?, clicked on the YouTube links provided there, and read my last post to Adam_PoE there as well?
I provide reasonable proofs (i.e. evidences) to support my claims that the Lord Jesus rose from the dead, and that the Bible is indeed the Word of God.
Your argument: Jesus resurrected, because the Bible says so.
My argument: The goats resurrected, because Snorri Sturluson's works say so.
I think we're on equal footing here. My point stands that given we're using biased sources here to defend unrealistic assertions, mine wins by virtue of being more impressive compared to yours.
Eaten goats resurrect daily >>>> Jesus dies from cross death and revives once, three days later.
1. Your walls of text are generally ignored. If you can't structure your argument to actually be readable by others, it doesn't deserve the effort to read.
2. Youtube links aren't proof any more than napkins are canvas.
3. The whole idea of the Bible being a 'source' begs for proof.
No, you don't. The Bible itself is a human construct, made up of handpicked writings and gospels over a hundred years after Christ apparently lived, and none of its authors or editors ever met him in life. Additionally, the book was never written in English, so when you rehearse it back to us in English and put special emphasis on the words, you just demonstrate that you don't understand how translation works.
The bottom line is you think the Bible is the end-all without being able to substantiate that it is indeed, the end-all. You just take it for granted, and any challenges to this beg for proof somehow.
That is a false equivalency, because the author of your work is known, while the author of his book remains anonymous, so your source is actually more reliable.
Wrong. That’s “not” my claim, nor has it ever been.
You misrepresent my stance in this discussion.
You see, I’ve given you “extra-biblical” evidence, and “scientific” revelations in the Bible that were revealed “thousands” and “hundreds” of years before modern scientists discovered them (101 to be exact)—but you “run” in the other direction so to speak, every time I bring these “irrefutable”, “claim-proving facts” up.
My extra-biblical facts, scientific foreknowledge facts, and prophetic facts—prove that the Bible is not a work of mythology, nor fiction—as your claims about Thor’s goats “are” (don’t believe me, just examine my facts).
You see, your source for Thor’s goats does not have the “track record” that the Bible has. The Bible has “archaeological” weight, “extra-biblical” credence, scientific “foreknowledge”, and predictive (i.e. prophetic) power.
Thor and his goats?
Need I say more?
No, were “not” on equal footing based on the facts concerning the Bible’s divine origin (that I have repeatedly exhorted you to examine).
Again, “examine” my evidence. If you don’t want to know the Truth, then just keep on keeping on. But you will “never” be able to say that “no one” told you.
Unlike your Thor’s goats claims, the Bible has “consistently” proven itself to be the Word of God, archaeologically, extra-biblically, scientifically, and prophetically.
1. My last post to Adam_PoE was not a wall of text. Go back and look for yourself.
2. YouTube links aren’t proof? Then someone should break the news to Patience_Leech.
I quote,
3. I “keep” giving you “proof” but you won’t examine it (i.e. links to “scientific” facts revealed in the Bible thousands and hundreds of years before modern scientists discovered them, and prophecies which predict historical events with “better-than-laser-precision”, and “accuracy”).
It’s not my fault that you appear to be “afraid” of finding out the truth.
Also, I didn’t know that “eyewitness” testimony was not acceptable.
1. Wrong. The Bible is “not” a human construct.
If you examined the information in my links you would “know” this by now—but it appears that you are “afraid” to do this.
Furthermore, archaeological, extra-biblical, scientific foreknowledge, and numerous fulfilled prophecies “prove” beyond a reasonable doubt—that the Bible is “theopneustos” (i.e. “God-breathed”).
2. Wrong. “God” divinely, and providentially compiled “His” Word into what we call the Bible.
Also, here’s the approximate “dates” that the various Books of the Bible were written.
“Not” one gospel was, as you erroneously claim, was written,
“…over a hundred years after Christ apparently lived….”
Click and scroll down to New Testament since you mentioned “gospels”, or scroll down to Old Testament (depending on which Books you want the approximate date for) https://www.biblegateway.com/blog/2...-bible-written/
3. Wrong. Peter, James, John, Matthew, and possibly Jude were five of the original twelve apostles of the Lamb (i.e. Jesus Christ), “and” His disciples.
All “five” were given divine inspiration to pen Scripture—and “personally” knew Jesus in life.
Also, the apostle Paul (who wrote 14 of the 27 Books of the New Testament) saw Jesus on more than one occasion through visions, and a trip to Heaven.
4. Wrong. Whether I bold, highlight, italicize, or underlined—what you fail to admit is that I have “not” altered, nor changed the “meaning” of any translated word in the Bible in any way.
I know it’s difficult for you to come to terms with the Words of the Lord Jesus regarding a “majority” of people going to Hell, but it’s the “truth”.
But it does not have to be you, (nor anyone reading these words right) because Christ died for “your sins” according to the Scriptures. He was buried, and raised—the third day. In fact, Christ died for the sins of the whole world.
5. I don’t “think” that the Bible is the end-all.
I “know” that the Bible is the Word of the living God.
There’s a difference.
You mean you are “unwilling” to “read” and “click on” my substantiation.
Yep, if you all continue in the Word of the Lord Jesus Christ, then are you all His disciples “indeed”; And you all shall know the “Truth”, and the “Truth” shall make you free.
But I don’t take this truth for granted.
There hasn’t been a challenge concerning the Bible that I have not been able to overcome with respect to “proof”.
In case you haven't read this, here's my post to Adam_PoE:
Not so. Like I’ve told you on more than one occasion, God's Book (the Bible) has revealed scientific facts “thousands and hundreds” of years before modern scientists discovered and confirmed them (just click on the link and scroll down the list for proof).
There is "no" scientific explanation for "how" the Bible could have known (and revealed) these things unless the Author of the Bible is God.
Let these sayings sink down into your ears.
Secondly, God’s Book (the Bible) predicts (prophesies) events “thousands and hundreds” of years before they occur which corroborates it’s divine origin.
A mythological book about Thor has “never” revealed scientific facts “thousands and hundreds” of years before modern scientists discovered and confirmed them, “nor” has it predicted “real-life” historical events “thousands and hundreds” of years “before” they occurred.
So your comparison is “easily” refuted and exploded.
Let these sayings sink down into your ears.
Now, just in case you have not seen this post:
Did the Lord Jesus Christ truly rise from the dead as the Bible reveals?
The evidence for evolution is greatly enhanced with visual aides.
None of those prophecies have been confirmed by legitimate historians. There's even very little evidence that Jesus even existed. It's much more likely that it was written as a myth, especially considering all the borrowing the Bible did with previous "gods."
And contrary to what you seem to think, the one making the extraordinary claims (You) are required to supply extraordinary evidence.
You are making the claim that a book was written by a superbeing deity and that miracles were performed. That requires some significant evidence. And some flimsy claims of fulfilled prophesy and some delusional clowns talking on a stage is not good enough evidence. It is evidence of a sort, but it is extremely weak evidence that is not deserving of the sort of devotion it seems to inspire in people like you.
No I understand perfectly, Jesus is the most powerful fictional character out of that group of fictional characters.
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So wait, even stargazing is evil? And Satan created horoscopes? Okay. I'm guessing he created the magic 8 ball too(Thanks Satan!!).
Even inflation is apparently the work of Satan. Damn, this guy gets around, doesn't he? Also apparently literally every accident is the work of the devil. One time I accidentally dropped a cup and it broke. F*ck you Satan.
Though I have to say if God is a manifestation of "love" then we humans clearly have been using the word incorrectly all these years.
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JesusLovesYou, I have to say I can see the appeal to your beliefs. Literally nothing is ever your fault, it's all rooted in some cosmic evil.
Like right now, if I set an orphanage on fire...that's Satan, right?
Well wait, that begs another question: if Satan causes this evil, why do we suffer for our sins? Shouldn't Lucifer be roasting on an open fire, and not some serial killer? Cuz Lucifer is the cause of murder and rape and all that.
So not only does God hold us accountable for the past sins of people, but he apparently blames us even when some cosmic evil causes us to do horrible shit. It essentially seems like the decks are stacked against us. Either we resist some cosmic evil or we're screwed. Also this whole dichotomy is something a psychopath would come up with, you do realize that right? There is no way a non-crazy person does this.
__________________ Chicken Boo, what's the matter with you? You don't act like the other chickens do. You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man you're a Chicken Boo.
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There’s “plenty” of evidence that the Lord Jesus exists, “you” just refuse to accept it. For example, there’s “extra-biblical” evidence that the Lord Jesus existed.
There’s numerous “miracles” taking place in the “Name of Jesus” that continue to baffle the medical community on a “regular” basis, or that continue to take place “all over the world”.
As a result of the Name of Jesus, people have been, and are being healed of all kinds of sicknesses, diseases, and many other health issues.
In the Wonderful Name of Jesus people have been, and are being raised from the dead, and delivered from demonic possession, and “every” addiction (e.g. drug addiction, porn addiction, alcohol addiction, pain medication addiction, and all other addictions).
Not to mention the ”personal testimony” of “billions” of Christians/believers who worship Him, call Jesus Christ Lord, and praise Him (many of which are called by Him to be His ministers to teach and preach His Word, and/or who have seen Him, and do continue to see Him in dreams, visions, or on a visits to Heaven in the spirit).
Lastly, the Bible (which is “eyewitness testimony that you inexplicably refuse to accept), which prophesied the resurrection of the Lord Jesus.
You see, without the resurrection of the Lord Jesus—“no believer” has “any” hope of eternal life. But thanks be to God Who raised His Dear Son from the dead by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Praise Father, Son, and Holy Spirit forevermore!
Borrowing? What are you talking about?
Myth?
Based on all of the information that I’ve provided, it is “impossible’” for the Bible to be a myth.
But you just made a “claim” that the Bible borrows gods (whatever that means)—now support it with facts.
Every time that I provide “extraordinary” evidence you run. Are you “afraid” of the Truth?
But, if you want that “extraordinary proof”, here it is again.
There’s “plenty” of evidence. But I’m done doing “your” homework for today.
Go on YouTube (your “go to source for evidence”), type in “miracles”, and let me know what you find out. You can either do that or visit hospitals and ask to speak to any doctor that has ever seen, or experienced a “miracle”. Also, you can visit any “true” Bible-believing, Christ Jesus worshipping, church and ask them for any evidence of miracles. There’s a number of things that you can do if you “really” want to know the Truth.
You read that correctly people. He just suggested you go on youtube and type in "miracles' and see what happens.
Who knew that evidence of God and his almighty power was just a few clicks away?
*types it into youtube*
Ohh....oh I see. So in this case we are calling anything science can't currently explain a "miracle". Implying you feel we already know everything there is to know about science and thus if we can't explain something it must be jesus magic.
__________________ Chicken Boo, what's the matter with you? You don't act like the other chickens do. You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man you're a Chicken Boo.