Registered: Aug 2016
Location: Pennsylvania, United States
I actually don't consider you an idiot. Within the past couple weeks, I've gained a bit more respect for you.
As for my arguments, they only fly in the face of what YOU deem logical. Perhaps you, or others here, remember someone by the name Darth Pariahus, he's a good friend of mine, and is one of the most logical people I know, and honestly, his opinions of KMC are pretty much the same as mine.
I simply decided to take my talents to the losing side. Lord knows they need the help.
I'm the anti-KD, sorta speak.
Valk's intrinsic and "supreme" potential + the strength of two planets and thousands of Sith Lords and thousands of years + near limitless knowledge to pull from, to hone, and maximize said power. to it's fullest extent.
I don't agree with it, or necessarily make that argument , as I place Valk at 3, but logically - at least from where I sit - a case could be made using the aforementioned as a base.
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Last edited by Deronn Solo on Jun 28th, 2017 at 10:35 PM
Registered: Aug 2014
Location: The balance of the Force
So people finally come arpund to the truth, both sides are riddled with people who want to genuinely argue moronic stances with no standing in feats.
More at 11.
The sad thing is that genuinely intellectual people on both sides actually entertain this bullshit. I'm guilty of this.
Do I think Prime Revan is approaching Yoda? Absolutely, why? Because first of all, his novel incarnations were far from his prime so that's irrelevant when discussing his far more powerful incarnation.
I have Arcann and Malgus in very high regard, equal to some of the lesser Vader incarnations, why? Because they have absolutely insane durability feats which Vader would be proud of, ignoring the cross-era references.
I have DE Palpatine and Valkorion on roughly the same tier, with Darth Nihilus beneath them. Why? Because they each have insane planetary feats.
Do I have Exar Kun approaching RotS Sidious? Yes, indeed I do. Why? Because that's literally been the point of his character since its inception. I even remember the very old interviews where Exar Kun was supposed to be a new type of Sith, unlike Vader or the Emperor.
People like to throw out their own common sense and trash anything that doesn't support their own agenda, the ancient Sith are pparently sub-Dooku tier shit now. Which makes absolutely no aense when actually considering the lore. Which is the most insane part of all of this, if we don't like the lore they're a part of, we decide to troll and trash everything to do with that era.
It started with Bane era and now it's everywhere that isn't remotely somehow connected to the movie era.
If you manage to not get stomped by Vader, now you're top 10 worthy. But that only goes for Vader, try and apply the same scaling to a TOR character and all of a sudden everybody's featless and a laughingstock.
This is all bullshit, literally breaking forum rules with status quo'ing and nobody cares to do anything about it.
You wonder why I argue against this? Because it killed the forum.
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Within your furnace heart, you burn in your own flame. This is how it feels to be Anakin Skywalker.
Not true at all. For first, not every Era in universe has a top fighter on Sidious/Yoda's level. TOR's is a lucky one, that it has. Sidious at the time of ROTS is stated to be the most powerful Sith Lord in history. That doesn't mean, that Plagueis or Vitiate can't be on his tier - they are.
And just as Vitiate is in Sidious/Yoda's tier, his inferior, Revan, is in their inferiors tier. Which puts Revan in Vader (overated as hell)/Anakin, Mace, Dooku's tier.
Then we have guys like Malgus, Kenobi, Maul, and others. If Malgus is tier below Revan and tier below Baras, it puts Baras to Fisto's group.
I've done little to no debating in the past couple of weeks... So makes sense.
'k. Don't really care about your friend agreeing with you, but it makes sense that if he shares your interpretation of events, just perhaps in a more articulated fashion, that you'd consider him one of the most logical people.
Unfortunately, it doesn't always work with "oh, up to interpretation"; There's some things you cannot interpret differently or deny since they are indeed fact. Someone who believes the Earth is flat or gravity doesn't exist has a right to his own intepretation, but that doesn't mean they're in the right when scientific facts and a plethora of evidence is against them.
The same goes for fictional universes. Obviously Spider-Man can never beat Thor, Catwoman can never beat Martian Manhunter and by the same token Revan can never beat Sidious. There's some form of established hierarchy that every franchise has.
Yes, you said that. I can search the quote, if you don't believe me.
Considering you were stomped in every Yoda/Sidious vs Revan debate, no, it wasn't succesful.
Anyway, yes, I agree that Valk >> Dooku, and I can see an argument that Valk > Yoda in the Force (not in power, but due to his more esoteric abilities). And also, I agree that some TOR lowballing is ridiculous. But so is some TOR wank - Thanaton ~ Dooku, Revan ~ Sidious? C'mon.
Anyway, for this match, I think Valk wins, but it isn't a stomp.
Registered: Aug 2016
Location: Pennsylvania, United States
If I ever argued that any version of Revan was >ROTS Sidious, that was a mistake, and is one I don't make anymore. Also, I've only ever been "stomped" here, because I know I won't be taken seriously. And I have actually performed well here, SunRazer and I actually had a very good debate a while back. But there's no point in me trying to defend my stances because they'll be laughed off anyway.
Registered: Aug 2016
Location: Pennsylvania, United States
Maybe, but not that I notice. Maybe I just don't pay enough attention to detail. But no, the idea of Revan being around Yoda's level isn't retarded. I don't actually hold them equal btw, I DO hold Yoda above Reborn Revan, the difference is simply a small one.
I wouldn't expect you to, it was probably approaching a year ago now honestly, the only people who MIGHT remember it, are Ant and Syndi. I think I saved pics, I think, but I'm not positive. Even Nova said I didn't do half bad. But I suppose saying it is useless without the pics to prove it, so it's irrelevant I guess.
Plagueis>Valkorion I can understand to a degree, depending on how you interpret certain things (blurbs for example), so while I strongly disagree with the Plagueis>Valkorion/Vitiate narrative, I admit it has at least a decent basis. As for Anakin>Revan, that's a stance I don't believe has any basis whatsoever. If I've ever been disrespectful to any (with the exceptions of Rocky and Quan), than I'm sorry.
It doesn't, because my stances have largely changed with time and with evidence. Hell, before I came to KMC I didn't give a rat's ass about ancient Sith, and I knew Exar Kun as KotOR body armor description better than I knew his actual storyline.
Meanwhile, you've conceded once to me in about 12 years and backtracked on it the next week. This was after I took screenshots of the Yoda v. Sidious fight and in painstaking detail pointed out that Sidious was dominated in the fight and that he conclusively lost the Force battle.
Jun 28th, 2017 10:26 PM
