How durable are these Harald's? Because if ryu and company can hurt them now that they're descendents of the shaman, I still don't think they could kill them if these things are taking Thor like hits.
The whole point i was trying to make is that, without the descendants of the shaman or a way to counter the curse, kenshiro can't hurt them
second, in what way does hokuto has a counter for a powerful curse like this? life force manipulation? so what? the curse still stands, harald and his undead band will be still alive, if characters like wanda, thor and dr. strange has no chance in hell fighting this guy w/o using some time travel/bending magic, what are the chances kenshiro have to permanently destroy/defeat harald and his companions?
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That was the only way for Thor and Dr Strange.
It doesn't have to be this way for Kenshiro whom achieved Nothingness / Oneness with everything (the Nothingness is also being one with everything) when he mastered the Muso Tensei.
I maintain that the Musou Tensei is one of the way for Kenshiro to achieve that feat.
Kenshiro's power source is the Chi which is, whatever the Universe, the basis of everything.
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Kenshiro absorbed the Hokuto Ryuken and Hokuto Sonkaken techniques (via the Tower of Souls Repose) which mean that he can directly manipulate Harald's life force.
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Either ways Harald can't touch Kenshiro, whatever he uses the Musou Tensei or not.
He can manipulate the ki/life force of harald and his companions for all he wants but that doesn't change the fact that the curse is still in effect.
Kenshiro can use Musou Tensei on them but there will zero effect (like how Thor hit Harald full out).
and how long can kenshiro last (w/o sustenance of food & water) against an opponent who is practically indestructible? a month? a year? because these guys survived a thousands years w/o any form of sustenance.
so, my conclusion is that, yeah kenshiro may the hokuto shinken and his speed as an advantage but the strength and curse empowered durability of Harald and his companions will drag out the fight to the point in which Kenshiro and Co. has no strength left to fight at that point Harald & Co. will deliver the killing blow to each one of them, ending the fight
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The Curse doesn't make Harald indestructible.
Kenshiro doesn't need to negate it.
And without life force, Harald and his comrades are lifeless corpse, not even undead, they are dead.
Kenshiro ignores his opponent durability in Musou Tensei. That's enough of an argument.
Bullshit. Stop trying to divert the topic to something irrelevant.
I am still waiting for you to post feats for Harald resisting an attack siphoning his life force, until then that technique destroys Harald until proven otherwise.
What? The curse didn't make Harald & Co. Indestructible? HAHAHAHA
Please do tell, what made them indestructible.
The curse trapped the their life-force on their bodies, you can't siphon something that's being trapped by a powerful force (which is the curse), can't you understand that?
fourth, i'm not diverting the topic to something irrelevant, i'm just asking a question if kenshiro can fight long periods of time
fifth, Ok, no proof of musou tensei/hokuto techniques bypassing/negating the curse.
Wow you have selective thinking, the curse made them indestructible/durable, is it hard for that to understand?
second, you're the one who's making the claim about the life siphoning technique, show me concrete evidence that it has the ability to bypass a life trapping curse
they don't have any natural durability feats because THE CURSE IS EMPOWERING THEIR DURABILITY. get that in your head,
fourth, musou tensei ignores durability is complete BS. if we go by that he could shitstomp characters like dr. manhattan, michael demiurgos, galactus, silver surfer, sentry, lucifer morningstar or even TOAA.
Lastly, provide a proof that musou tensei can bypass/negate a curse.
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"selective thinking".
You are pretending that the spell make them impossible to destroy when it simply enhance their durability.
That's NOT selective thinking.
That's not how it works.
The burden of proof is on you to prove that Harald can resist this kind of ability by posting a feat of Harald actually resisting to that kind of ability.
Nobody spoke about some "natural durability feats", you are making a red herring once more or a strawman if you pretend that I've said those thing.
Nope.
Kenshiro can go through his opponent and still hit him.
That's bypassing the durability.
RED HERRING + SLIPPERY SLOPE
It's not about negating the curse, it's about bypassing the enhanced durability which it does.
Not needed.
I have all volumes and the bio entry
Dr Strange has nothing to hurt them.
Some mundane centuries year old viking warrior's gear can whistand Mjolnir's blows now ?
Are you pretending that Harald's old rusty swords and armor haven't been empowered by the curse and can block Mjolnir's attacks ?
Fail.
They have been empowered like Dr Strange's spell did to the guys from the shaman's bloodline AND the bio confirms it too.
CHECK & MATE
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By the way you should stop debating with me for now, you are using way too much logical fallacies, blind assumptions, fail to back-up your claims and this is becoming boring.
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And one more thing:
Dr Strange didn't break the Curse neither, he simply empowered the warriors from the Shaman's bloodline plus Thor and their weapons & armors to beat Harald & his Vikings so breaking the Curse isn't needed to beat Harald.
OMG are you that dense? if musou tensei or any other hokuto techniques ignores their durability then it also ignores/bypass/negates the curse.... a point you're ignoring all together
second, how can musou tensei ignores someone's durability a red herring? i'm curious on how that is possible, musou tensei just ignores durability. too vague, on what level of durability does it ignore? planetary? universal? multiversal? i'm calling you out on this because is kinda BS.
Dr. Strange can't hurt them because of the curse, marvel's most power sorcerer cant outdo a freaking curse, that speaks volumes...
fourth , Yeah, the three warriors are needed because they are descendants of the shaman..... last time i checked kenshiro is not descended from that shaman..
yeah this is getting boring, you can't provide a hard proof that hokuto no shinken or other martial arts from FOTNS can bypass/negate a curse, just baseless assertions..
so my conclusion still stands, Harald & Co. shitstomps kenshiro....
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Bullshit.
Here are the effects of the Curse.
The Curse basically empowers the Vikings, it doesn't give them a special ability against the Musou Tensei, neither with Kenshiro's other abilities.
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Empower their weapons
Empower their shields and armors.
Boost their durability (seen on panel)
Boost their strength
The Musou Tensei allows Kenshiro to go through his opponents and attack them.
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You are trying to divert the discussion again to some BS statement unrelated to the topic.
I've already responded to that above.
It doesn't matter what Dr Strange can or cannot do.
They are needed so Dr Strange can make a Rune Spell similar to the one of the Shaman so the warriors and THOR can fight the Vikings on a equal ground.
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Dr Strange plan to find the equivalent of the Shaman's spell.
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Last time I checked THOR isn't a descendant of the Shaman.
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The spell of Dr Strange still boost Thor enough so he can beat Harald.
Kenshiro doesn't need that.
The fact is that you failed to post proofs of Harald resisting his Life Force being absorbed which means he has no defences against Kenshiro absorbing their Life Force.
So far Kenshiro can:
Avoid their attacks easily and continuously hit them until they break and die for good.
Same as above but disarm the Vikings with his techniques and kill them with their own weapons.
Use the Gento Koken to destroy the Undeads at a cellular level.
Absorb the Life Force of the Vikings, killing them in the process
Use his Ki-shield so they cannot approch Kenshiro and will die meeting the Ki-shield
Avoid their attack and blast them back with their own weapons (arrows, spears, whatever...) or with his Ki-blasts.
Use Chin-Na techniques to redirect their own attacks so they impale themselves on their own weapons
Use the Musou Tensei which is an auto-win in all cases.
You gave and proved 0 ways for Harald to go through this and even less to beat Kenshiro.
They didn't bypass the Curse.
Dr Strange used a similar spell to empower the three warriors AND THOR.
That means that you didn't read the story at all or that your reading skills are shit which all in all means the same thing.
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Kenshiro can take a nap between every of Harald's attacks.
Check & mate.
Kenshiro wins effortlessly.
Thanks for coming.
Next time that you want to debate with someone try to at least understand a single thing about the context.
Thor's hammer could have negated the curse but it did, so even though kenshiro's fighting style could be considered magic, I believe Thor's hammer is greater. Have Ken faced magical beings on Harald's level before?
Wow so much bullshit in here. From both the OP and the Kenshiro Fanboy lol
The fact that Thor can't harm or destroy Harald (w/o the spell that amp him) is a feat of durability itself. we all know that Thor is one badass dude who can bust planets and shit and kenshiro is just some martial arts grand master that only defeated other grand masters.
Questions to the Kenshiro Fanboy:
1. When & where did Kenshiro absorbed a life force?
2. Was the manga clear about Musou Tensei ignoring durability and in what case that Musou Tensei = Auto Win? if we go by that logic then he could probably solo characters way out of his league. ex. Kenshiro Vs. Sentry. Kenshiro uses Musou Tensei he stomps. sounds stupid right?
3. Is gento koken on par with the spell that Strange formulated? TBH that technique is bullshit too, we don't know if it works against something more powerful than some metahumans.
4. So you saying that Kenshiro is alot more stronger than Thor who can bust planets because of some vague/murky techniques?
5. lastly, strange needed the blood of those 3 because they were descendants of the wise man, then he concocted a similarly powerful spell to amp those 3 and Thor, w/o the blood + the spell that strange formulated there's no way to defeat the those vikings except if you're a high level reality warper or very powerful magic user who can outdo a similarly powerful curse. now the question is will hokuto shinken or other FOTNS techniques works the same way? can hokuto techniques counter rune magic in any form?
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