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Galan007
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*To reaffirm what operator has already said...

By all implications, Dominus himself operated on a fully multiversal scale...

"Though none are present now to witness my glorious rise -- ALL the worldS of ALL the universeS shall tremble!":
http://i.imgur.com/nXst0vg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9hV5JfH.jpg

"From this day forward, the universeS will exist as I decree!":
http://i.imgur.com/Q4ATuMU.jpg

Dominus forces Superman to bear the madness of the entire multiverse:
http://i.imgur.com/TrjtWE2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7s2U5HK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zJoRTHx.jpg

Waverider(aka. "The Seer of Hypertime"): "I can sense a web of possible timelineS... Past and future... Enmeshing him in a tangle of alternate realitIES.":
http://i.imgur.com/uyDHQ6U.jpg

*Confirmation that Dominus created/merged multiple universeS...

Superman: "Why the FOUR realitIES for me? Was it all in my mind? What was Dominus after?"
Kismet: "It was NO hallucination. [Dominus] warped ALL of reality so he could draw me from hiding.":
http://i.imgur.com/Bdzlo3P.jpg

Aside from that, Dominus was capable of overpowering Kismet(and Superman, lawl) rather easily:
http://i.imgur.com/LGyFm38.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PLINdfc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wruKroh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8breesd.jpg

This is especially important because Kismet operates on a multiversal scale as well...

"As a cosmic entity, I know the nine million terrors of the MULTIVERSE.":
http://i.imgur.com/y9n659z.jpg

"I am able to look across time and the various realitIES -- comprehending them ALL.":
http://i.imgur.com/63mqYMR.jpg

And Rip Hunter, who knows more about the inner-workings of DC cosmology than ANYONE, referred to Kismet as the "Illuminator of realitIES":
http://i.imgur.com/wL9ZuQW.jpg

Heck, even Kismet's official bio gives her multiversal status:
http://i.imgur.com/eyPRoJC.jpg
"Base of Operations: ALL known realitIES"

*And again: Dominus >> Kismet... He trounces Jamie without much issue, tbh. thumb up

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Originally posted by operator616
I recall Dominus explicitly stating that he could still warp reality around Superman despite him going into the unconscious state.

Indeed he did:
http://i.imgur.com/UdFf9fR.jpg

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TheHulkster
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That's an interesting interchanging of terms that are not necessarily interchangeable.

Jul 10th, 2017 11:05 PM

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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Galan007
*To reaffirm what operator has already said...

By all implications, Dominus himself operated on a fully multiversal scale...

"Though none are present now to witness my glorious rise -- ALL the worldS of ALL the universeS shall tremble!":
http://i.imgur.com/nXst0vg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9hV5JfH.jpg

"From this day forward, the universeS will exist as I decree!":
http://i.imgur.com/Q4ATuMU.jpg

Dominus forces Superman to bear the madness of the entire multiverse:
http://i.imgur.com/TrjtWE2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7s2U5HK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zJoRTHx.jpg

Waverider(aka. "The Seer of Hypertime"): "I can sense a web of possible timelineS... Past and future... Enmeshing him in a tangle of alternate realitIES.":
http://i.imgur.com/uyDHQ6U.jpg

*Confirmation that Dominus created/merged multiple universeS...

Superman: "Why the FOUR realitIES for me? Was it all in my mind? What was Dominus after?"
Kismet: "It was NO hallucination. [Dominus] warped ALL of reality so he could draw me from hiding.":
http://i.imgur.com/Bdzlo3P.jpg

Aside from that, Dominus was capable of overpowering Kismet(and Superman, lawl) rather easily:
http://i.imgur.com/LGyFm38.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PLINdfc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wruKroh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8breesd.jpg

This is especially important because Kismet operates on a multiversal scale as well...

"As a cosmic entity, I know the nine million terrors of the MULTIVERSE.":
http://i.imgur.com/y9n659z.jpg

"I am able to look across time and the various realitIES -- comprehending them ALL.":
http://i.imgur.com/63mqYMR.jpg

And Rip Hunter, who knows more about the inner-workings of DC cosmology than ANYONE, referred to Kismet as the "Illuminator of realitIES":
http://i.imgur.com/wL9ZuQW.jpg

Heck, even Kismet's official bio gives her multiversal status:
http://i.imgur.com/eyPRoJC.jpg
"Base of Operations: ALL known realitIES"

*And again: Dominus >> Kismet... He trounces Jamie without much issue, tbh.

Indeed he did:
http://i.imgur.com/UdFf9fR.jpg

Clear as day.

Jul 11th, 2017 12:10 AM

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quote: (post)
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Those three issues seem to cover different aspects of one long warp until the real Waverider appears at the end of issue #748 to see Superman caught up in it, as shown.

Im tired of this tbh. Must i really spoon feed you the events? Because i dislike going in circles.

Let's begin. In Superman #138, dominus merges the four realities.

http://imgur.com/0F6huUR

After that happens, he directly engages Kismet but before he can kill her she transforms into a green ball of energy and flees:

http://imgur.com/2q8Hkw6

The story continues in Adventures of Superman #561 which centers around the hunt for Kismet (after she fled from Dominus who merged the four realities just before his confrontation with her). Waverider converses Superman about the events which happened in Superman #138, but it's revealed that Waverider is actually Dominus:

http://imgur.com/LnOu4FB
http://imgur.com/s9m2zT9
http://imgur.com/Fdt7tgH

So the above issue was definitely a continuation of Superman #138.

The story continues in Action comics #748:

We outright see Kismet in the green ball of energy (after she fled from Dominus):

http://imgur.com/kZjb76B

We also have Waverider telling Superman that the meeting between himself and superman in the previous issue was not actually him. Superman deduces that it was Dominus and goes with Waverider to search for Kismet. Reality starts to warp and it turns out that this Waverider is Dominus as well, fooling Superman for the second time.

http://imgur.com/mziUoDm
http://imgur.com/CcEYtGt

And after that directly Dominus forces the multiverse madness upon Superman after which the real waverider along with linear men show up (they never did previously, it was all Dominus).

http://imgur.com/a/wdOWX

So no, those issues weren't one big fat warp. They were chronological events taking place after the four realities were merged. Quite clearly, i might add. So im not sure where you got that they were all part of those four alternate realities.

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Originally posted by TheHulkster

I'm sure I stated earlier that no one is saying that he doesn't warp reality.

Not sure what's your point here though, but whatever.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by TheHulkster

Right. Mostly using temporal manipulation (which is how he warps reality).

He warps time, space and matter:

http://imgur.com/MPwsW9c

quote: (post)
Originally posted by TheHulkster

Does Superman go to sleep?

Superman used a technique which Jamie can't replicate, so im not sure what's your point.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by TheHulkster

That's a pretty liberal extrapolation from art. Kismet was not a universal embodiment during that time. Busiek sort of shoehorned her in to that role years later. Before then, she illuminates paths.

Yes she was. When Superman confronted her, she explicitly mentioned that she is the space around him:

http://imgur.com/pFOuinA

Waverider mentioned that if Kismet dies, the fabric of time would unravel.

http://imgur.com/dNYY8b0

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Originally posted by TheHulkster

Dominus is one of the most exaggerated characters in comics and due mostly to Superman fans because of the need for him to have beaten a multiversal power. Problem is that I have yet to be given a demonstration of such multiversal power. Manipulated timelines and a pocket dimension the he resides in doesn't cut it.

The problem is that you didn't comprehend the story right. Personally, i legitimately dont give a shit if Superman has beaten a multiversal being or not.

Jul 11th, 2017 12:16 AM