KMC Forums - Just How Powerful Is The Outlander?

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Originally posted by Haschwalth
Revan as of his MW and Darth incarnate can argued to be above some ancient sith lords, that Vitiate deemed a threat. Being a threat is not that impressive.

That's vitiate, not valk btw. Regardless, if Revan was a threat to Vitiate, it wasn't due to how powerful he was. The Revan novel shows us that in a fight, Revan is nothing more than one-shottable fodder to Vitiate:

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A dozen bolts of purple lightning arced from the Emperor toward him. Revan tried to draw them in and contain them, but the Emperor was infinitely more powerful than Darth Nyriss had ever been. Revan's body was engulfed in agony as the electricity coursed through his body. His skin began to boil and blister, the flesh of his face melting and sticking to the superheated metal of his mask as the Emperor poured more and more power into him. Through the haze of indescribable pain, he saw T3-M4 rushing in to help him. The droid let loose with his flamethrower, bathing the Emperor in fire. At the last instant the Emperor cocooned himself in the Force to save himself from being incinerated, breaking his focus on Revan. The Jedi collapsed to the ground, burned but still alive, the hilt of his extinguished lightsaber lying on the floor less than a meter beyond his grasp. Almost too weak to move, Revan managed to raise his head just in time to see the Emperor turn on the brave little astromech. A tremor rippled through the air as the Emperor unleashed the full power of the Force against the defenseless droid. T3 never stood a chance. The little droid exploded into a million pieces, internal circuits and external casing obliterated in a single instant. (SWTOR: Revan)

In fact, to Revan, Vitiate was undefeatable, even with the aid of his allies:

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Revan is determined to keep the galaxy safe for his child. Scourge, Meetra, and Revan enter the Emperor's citadel and challenge the supreme ruler. The Emperor’s power is too much for Revan. Recognizing that the Emperor is undefeatable, Scourge kills Meetra and betrays Revan. (Star Wars: The Essential Reader's Companion)

Revan isn't sh!t to Vitiate in terms of power, it seems. sad

On the other hand, Valkorian specifically feared Vaylin due to her potential to become powerful enough to directly challenge him. So much so that Valkorian sent her to psycho-bootcampto give her conditioning that would allow Valkorian to subdue his daughter regardless of how powerful he was:

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Even as a child, Vaylin showed signs of tremendous power. Fearing she would one day challenge him, Valkorion imprisoned his daughter while he sought limits and controls on her power. Through brutal experiments and mental conditioning, Vaylin was subconsciously trained to respond to a specific phrase: kneel before the Dragon of Zakuul. When spoken by her father, these words prevent Vaylin from unleashing her power and temporarily trap her will in an unbreakable mental prison.
From (Star Wars: Knights of the Eternal Throne: Codex entry titled "Vaylin's conditioning.")

To recap: Revan, one-shottable fodder. Vaylin, someone whose power scared Valkorian. I think it's self-evident whose superior.

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Originally posted by Haschwalth
Also, Revan was never around to be a threat to Valkorian, because he was dead.

Which means that at best, Revan being as powerful as Vaylin is an unsubstantiated assertion. We do however have ways to compare Revan and Valkorian. In the Revan novel, in a direct fight, we see a pre-prime valk one-shot a pre-prime Revan. Then there's SOR which had a clear message for us: Revan is Valk's b!tch

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Originally posted by Haschwalth
Revan was a major threat to Vitiate when they fought.

Not by virtue of his power unfortunately, hence why he was one-shotted.

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Originally posted by Haschwalth
Revan was a threat to SWTOR Vitiate, in SOR as it was described as a struggle between the two.

Revan never actually fought Vitiate in direct combat. In fact, it's repeatedly drilled into our heads throughout SOR that Revan can't hope to stand up to the emperor in a fight with Vitiate in his physical form.
Struggle doesn't at all indicate a close fight. Anakin vs Cin Drallig was a struggle, yeah, doesn't change that Anakin stomped him.
That "struggle" didn't involve Valkorian.

Revan has nothing to show he's anything more than sh!te to Vitiate, let alone Valkorian. Any argument trying to draw a favorable comparison for Revan in regards to how his power compares to Vakorian is nonsense I'm afraid. sad

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Originally posted by Haschwalth
She has no feats

She does have feats actually. In fact, she has feats that outstrip anything Revan has achieved such as:

Destroying a Sanitarium from her ship.
Tearing apart numerous ships while dismantling the force users who boarded them.
Telekinetically rofl stomping Arcann and Senya while greatly slowing the Outlander with a wave of power. Incredibly impressive when you realize that a far less powerful trio in Arcann, KOTFE Outlander, and Lana were capable of lifting the Gravestone.

Vaylin's feats are better, yea. That she favorably compares with someone who's repeatedly made Revan his b!tch only confirms the obvious.

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Originally posted by Haschwalth
and not enough information only wonky unstable scaling. On the basis of her being a threat to Valk, who at the time was Weakened in his non corporal form.

You seem to be forgetting that was a chained Vaylin. If you want see how big the difference between a chained an unchained Vaylin is, you need only compare their performances vs Arcann.

There's nothing wonky here. A weakened Valkorian failed to dominate a pre-prime Vaylin, hence I'd argue that Valkorian at his peak couldn't dominate Vaylin at her peak. An inference that aligns with how she's holistically portrayed.

That's more I can say for Revan who has been showe dboth in direct combat and holistically to be Valk's b!tch.