1. Common sense has to be relevant to these fictional type of beings and situations though. Why didn't Filoni mention that as part of the reason for Kenobi losing? I mean in every interview he's just completely ignored that.
2. He performed better. If a Padawan can recover from a much worse ordeal and perform better, I'm sure a much shorter and much less severe ordeal shouldn't be much of an issue for a Master.
It's ultimately all down Mind Sets, which is why Filoni only brings that up.
The first kick being referenced here was landed on Maul's chest.
And you're assuming Sidious was going all out against Maul. Frankly, that Kenobi was doing more damage to maul than his vast superior should let you know sids was just having fun. Not to mention that that same fight has Sidious twice stunning someone with maul level durability in Oppress with his kicks.
Chalk it up to that or inconsistency, but your assertion that Maul is beyond being seriously affected by kicks from sub-Kenobi opponents is some rather laughable reaching.
As we've seen repeatedly, TCW Kenobi can hurt Maul physically just fine, how badly maul got beat by sidious isn't changing that. Additionally I can point to Kenobi's ability to stagger(while a physical wreck) Oppress with a punch and then incap him by virtue of physical strikes, not that I need to since we have Kenobi actually fighting Maul.
Kicking is also not the only way we've seen Kenobi seize the advantage vs Maul.
We've seen Kenobi slam Maul's blade down, drive him back(twice) when going on the offense, and outmaneuvering him. On the other hand all Maul's ever actually managed to do to Kenobi in a direct 1 v 1 battle is kick Kenobi when physically and mentally wrecked. And even then, said kicks have done less than Kenobi's.
1. Kenobi didn't kick his face, he kicked the top of his chest which would be more resistant to pain than the lower portions of his upperbody
2. A good observation, however Kenobi kicking him lower wouldn't have made things better here since kicks in stomach are worse than kicks in the chest, especially the pec area which is typically much tougher.
3. I never argued Maul was at Kenobi's mercy there, but maul would be defending from a disadvantage here given how long he took to fully recover from the pain. This would give Kenobi an opening and duels are usually by the dude who can force their opponent into a disadvantageous position.
4. The point being that Kenobi is the one who's doing things of note in their fights, not Maul, likely because, well, Kenobi's better.
Some neat straws you're grasping for here. Not one of the hits Kenobi lands on Oppress features Maul giving Kenobi any momentum. On the contrary, all said hits happen when Kenobi has given himself space away from Maul. The best thing for Maul to do to save his brother here is to press Kenobi so that he's preoccupied. Maul isn't able to do this enough because
A. Kenobi is able to defend against maul is throwing at him before creating space for himself by driving oppress away from maul
B. Maul is having a hard time coping with Kenobi's offense which is why things like this happen: https://youtu.be/aE_CVWMWK74?t=3m46s
C. Kenobi has created space for himself via a kick: https://youtu.be/aE_CVWMWK74?t=3m38s
Your reaching aside, the only unfavorable context for the brothers is Kenobi getting two sabers which admittedly boosts him in the context of a 1 v 2, but in no way does that hinder maul individually in the context of a 1 v 1. Looking at this strictly as Kenobi vs Maul, Kenobi
A. had to deal with the presence of another fighter
B. was forced to utilize a secondary style due to the presence of said fighter.
Maul has unfavorable circumstances of his own in the shape of those legs, but so does Kenobi, and it's Kenobi who did better in this fight.
2. Your assertion that Kenobi was externally focused is baseless and is contradicted by the very source you're using to assert this. Feloni denies the focus being external and then attributes Kenobi gaining focus to his own character traits. Feloni also cites the focus coming as a result of Kenobi's own choice to right that wrong. The evidence suggests Kenobi focused himself as a result of Galia's death, not that he was circumstantially boosted by external circumstances.
3. They weren't in a constrained space as evinced by Kenobi being able to fully execute his ataru. Aside from not being canon, Shadow Conspiracy is blatantly contradicted by the episode here on this point. Additionally, Kenobi was at his best going on the offense here, not defense, There was no use of soresu here, Kenobi's movements weren't remotely minimal and were far more acrobatic than what Maul's displayed throughout the entirety of TCW.
4. Of everything you've claimed here, only maul's legs serve as a legitimate hindrance here, Kenobi also had a couple of unfavorable circumstances though and he still showed superiority here.
Revenge/Revival Maul holding his own as well as he did against Revenge/Revival Obi-Wan speaks a lot to his fighting skills and how good Peak (The Lawless/SOD) Maul must be - definitely a good match for ROTS Obi-Wan.
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Leaving the debate portion of this between you and Ant.
But since you count Filoni's every word on Maul's combat abilities as complete Canon, I'm just pointing out clear cut and factual statements by Filoni on the Major Combat disadvantages he was facing up until Revival at least.
I'm not taking vague statements of Filoni's and twisting them to suit my arguments like you have been. Filoni couldn't be more clear on Maul's velociraptor legs and his recovery process.
Given that, the fact that he essentially held his own against Kenobi (not being cut, floored, KO'd or disarmed once in Revival) even in the cave which would have restricted his mobility Even More, says a lot about Maul's Saber and Combat abilities in relation to TCW/ROTS era Kenobi's.
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and was also forced to use a secondary style which would be a hindrance in a 1 v 1 against maul. Given Oppress isn't in this fight, we should be looking at the florrum fight as to what it would mean in regards to maul individually.
Anyway, I've repeatedly acknowledged maul had hindrances, but that doesn't justify ignoring that Kenobi also found himself with disadvantages in both encounters.
You also seem to be ignoring this was a pre-prime Kenobi, unless your argument is maul is easily equal to a pre prime Kenobi?
That he was in peak physical and mental form has nothing to do with external circumstances which remain present regardless of what form Kenobi was in.
And yet again, your argument for Maul is dependent on an arbituary assumption of how much bette rmaul would have done without said hindrances,
That Kenobi did better and that Maul had stuff imparing his performance doesn't prove anything regarding how Maul would do without hindrances. And it becomes rather shaky ground when we realize Kenobi also had disadvantages which for some reason you're still disputing the presence of.
That Maul's hindrances were highlighted(as were Kenobi's)by Feloni doesn't diminish Kenobi's hindrances.
Kenobi getting physically wrecked was focused on for several minuites by the episode, and feloni has confirmed Kenobi was mentally thrown off by maul's revival before getting banged up which would on;y hurt his already badly impaired mentality.
Hence why Maul's dun moch worked there.
They both had unfavorable circumstances, and Kenobi came out better. Maul may have improved as of sod, but Kenobi had all of season 5, dd, and then the outer rim sieges to grow.
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