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Carver's actually right.

However, it's neither here nor there. BM doesn't have indestructible bracers to deflect HV, nor does he possess fighting skills (which is what have WW the edge against Zod).


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Carver's actually right.

However, it's neither here nor there. BM doesn't have indestructible bracers to deflect HV, nor does he possess fighting skills (which is what have WW the edge against Zod).
You see, re fighting skills, we don't know what Bashar has, we now he was a soldier, can he box? I would suggest from his uppercut on Ultimate Hulk, yes.


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And Zod was a soldier too.

Moreover, just being a soldier =/= being the most highly skilled Amazonian warrior lol.


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And Zod was a soldier too.

Moreover, just being a soldier =/= being the most highly skilled Amazonian warrior lol.


Yeah, but Bashar is about 90 years old, in that time a man with as many PhD's and sporting achievements as he has would probably have learned a martial art or two to a helluva high level. remember he is chronologically a man who has had his youth all the time whilst others born when he was have mostly grown old and died even in the Marvel Universe and yes Zod was just a soldier also. I know what you are going to say Marvel Continuity, sliding time scale all of them including Peter Parker and Johnny Storm should be pensioners now. True, but he is in Universe old.


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Ok. We are losing each other. Lets start over


Clark shows up to stop Zod/Fao. The assess he is strong but a non threat ...


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He continues to prove his combat ineffectiveness


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Here he gets momentarily put out of the fight. Hes landed ZERO blows, Zod/Fao are still healty and good and dont appear winded or hurt

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^^^^^^^The bottom panel alerts them to to Dianas presence. No "suprise attack to disrupt them"


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Diana/Zod monologue

Cue fight....

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Fao/Zod engage. They are not suprised. Clark is irrelevant at the moment. They are healthy. Fao is new to her powers but Zod has had time to compensate.

Diana blocks hv with her sword and redirects it in one hand amd woth the other blocks Faoras attack. Now even though an argument can be made Faora is a newbie. She still just assisted in wrecking Superman and she still is a trained warrior.

With Zod momentarily reeling she grapples with Fao, quickly overpowers her, burns her face and while Fao is reeling knees Zod in the face.

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Clark continues to prove hes useless, weakly grabbing Faora who was still covering her scar with her hand. Diana "looks" to be wailing on Zod. He isnt shown much in these panels so i assume he was briefly knocked away. Why else would Diana leave him inattended to run over and grab Fao



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Self explanamtory. Clark gets his arm broke. Diana subdues Fao


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End scene. Everyone is bruised, bloodied or broken save Diana. Clark threw one punch.

Carver as per my initial post was right



A lot of really useless scans. Here is what carver said.

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She destroyed him and Faora.


Could you please point out where Diana destroyed Zod?


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except for how Zod more or less said "bring it on" and promptly got his ass kicked when he had back up. This was also the first time that Diana had ever faced either of them (let alone both at the same time).


He was punched a few times. By that criteria Chavez kicked his and Carol's ass too.



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Good thing he doesn't need luck since he has feats for days. A holding back Blue Marvel still gave an entire Avengers line up all hell, beating down King Hyperion, striking Namor so hard that he directly says that only the hulk and Thor have hit as hard as Adam does, flying though Shuma Gorath's physical form, beating Anti Man(the same guy that beat Iron Man, Ares, Sentry, and She Hulk at the same time), oneshotting Ultimate hulk, etc.


Still below what Zod has done. Zod at this point can blast away half his head with HV. Marvel doesn't has that level of power.


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A lot of really
scans. Here is what carver said.



Could you please point out where Diana destroyed Zod?


Destroyed no. Dominated yes. Carver tends to exaggerrate not unlike you with your "suprise" and "complete unknown" statements


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Destroyed no. Dominated yes. Carver tends to exaggerrate not unlike you with your "suprise" and "complete unknown" statements

Getting punched a few times isn't being dominated. This is dominating someone.

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Semantics

So you feel like Diana lost?


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Semantics

So you feel like Diana lost?

No. But she wasn't in position to win either.

By that logic Chavez dominated both Carol and marvel here.

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Right?


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She fought both one on one and Superman was attacking the other.

Faora was still not at full power. When she was at full power, this happened.



Diana was getting her ass handed to her by Faora even with the armor to absorb her attacks.


Context in their second fight. Apollo was powering them up the entire time. They were amped...

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This is why they did better than before. This is why Supes and Diana had their special suiit on.


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He was punched a few times. By that criteria Chavez kicked his and Carol's ass too.





Still below what Zod has done. Zod at this point can blast away half his head with HV. Marvel doesn't has that level of power.


Lol...you all got excited when Superman took on Zod, Cyborg Superman and his crew when the only thing he did was punch someone and toss another. Used it as a high showing but we have Diana doing far worse against Zod and Faora and it ain't much? Stop abhi.


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Carver's actually right.

However, it's neither here nor there. BM doesn't have indestructible bracers to deflect HV, nor does he possess fighting skills (which is what gave WW the edge against Zod).


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It's a good showing for diana, holding her own and not even a very bad for supes as he never wanted to fight, he comes to reason is attacked, zod uses his HV on a village and prevents Supes from going there who rushes to help, they tag team Supes and even after all he tanked, he still says to Faora that he won't hurt her and even after that he asks Zod to stop this.

I read it not as a fight or comparision of direct power or skill, more of the two different approaches of WW and Superman, Violence and Pacifism. While naiv enough to believe that fellow Kryptonians will listen to reason Supes got the punishment for this, Diana knows a warrior when she sees one and took no risks.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand.

Interesting enough, after they met again to fight for real diana could only hold her own against faora, the same is true for zod. And after they got amped by Apollo, Zod and Faora dominated them.

Also Superman tanked the explosion to protect WW, even though he was weakened, else she would have died. The portrayals were rather clear who the stronger and more powerful is on the one side and who the better fighter is on the other.


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No. But she wasn't in position to win either.

By that logic Chavez dominated both Carol and marvel here.



Right?


No.

Completely different. Chavez surprised/suckershot Carol. She was also fighting friends who were holding back. Bfred Monica and got a lucky hit on BM.

Diana physically beat Faora and held the upper hand on Zod (two characters who werent holding back) until Clark got held hostage.

Be serious. Besides we are on the same "side" since I believe Zod beats BM. Just not that Zod current Zod. The one in this match.

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Context in their second fight. Apollo was powering them up the entire time. They were amped...

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This is why they did better than before. This is why Supes and Diana had their special suiit on.


There is no telling how much power Apollo gave them. Moot point and i wouldnt say it was an amp. Its ambiguous.

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It's a good showing for diana, holding her own and not even a very bad for supes as he never wanted to fight, he comes to reason is attacked, zod uses his HV on a village and prevents Supes from going there who rushes to help, they tag team Supes and even after all he tanked, he still says to Faora that he won't hurt her and even after that he asks Zod to stop this.

I read it not as a fight or comparision of direct power or skill, more of the two different approaches of WW and Superman, Violence and Pacifism. While naiv enough to believe that fellow Kryptonians will listen to reason Supes got the punishment for this, Diana knows a warrior when she sees one and took no risks.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand.

Interesting enough, after they met again to fight for real diana could only hold her own against faora, the same is true for zod. And after they got amped by Apollo, Zod and Faora dominated them.

Also Superman tanked the explosion to protect WW, even though he was weakened, else she would have died. The portrayals were rather clear who the stronger and more powerful is on the one side and who the better fighter is on the other.
Superman and Wonder Woman wanted to be hit in the armour so that could give the energy of the assaults back all at once.


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Superman and Wonder Woman wanted to be hit in the armour so that could give the energy of the assaults back all at once.


That's also means that they assume that their chances to take both out with this tactic are better than in a straight 2v2.

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Carver is right.

As for Zod fighting BM, its a toss up. There isnt going to be any oneshotting going on either way.


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The answer is Zod.
Give respect where respect is due.

Zod is the "rock star".
BM is still in a "boy band". He has to earn that kind of respect. He will get there.

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No.

Completely different. Chavez surprised/suckershot Carol. She was also fighting friends who were holding back. Bfred Monica and got a lucky hit on BM.

Diana physically beat Faora and held the upper hand on Zod (two characters who werent holding back) until Clark got held hostage.

Be serious. Besides we are on the same "side" since I believe Zod beats BM. Just not that Zod current Zod. The one in this match.



There is no telling how much power Apollo gave them. Moot point and i wouldnt say it was an amp. Its ambiguous.



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He tells us he was feeding them power and amps on the forum doesn't work like that. Apollo purposely had that sun beaming on them during their fight against Supes and WW. Superman even comments during the fight about the sun. Apollo was feeding them and it doesn't matter to what extent either. Giving them any type of addition, even if it's 1% additional power (even though this wasn't the case) is still an amp.


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