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Starkiller - Not a clone?
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DarthAnt66
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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Please provide quotes that say marek didn't die, or that at least potentially imply it, or at least link to the moments in the podcast you'd like us to look at

I think it's around the time Sidious vs Marek, but there's a moment earlier in the Death Star.

Also, I don't care what you look at - I'm telling you what they said. I'm not going out of my way for you to believe me, I don't care for your trust or lack thereof.


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ares834
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Originally posted by thesithmaster
Starkiller's a clone. Vader showed the DA Galen's dead body.


Or the body he showed wasn't dead...

Anyway, TFU2 seemed to suggest Starkiller wasn't a clone.


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Or the body he showed wasn't dead...

Anyway, TFU2 seemed to suggest Starkiller wasn't a clone.

It did, where?

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Darth Thor
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^ "No Jedi can be successfully cloned, it's never been done" - Kota to Starkiller.

All other Starkiller clones were either retarded or completely docile to commands.

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Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ "No Jedi can be successfully cloned, it's never been done" - Kota to Starkiller.

All other Starkiller clones were either retarded or completely docile to commands.

but if marek never died... then wtf was sids on when he couldn't sense him being alive despite being directly above him?

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^ "No Jedi can be successfully cloned, it's never been done" - Kota to Starkiller.

All other Starkiller clones were either retarded or completely docile to commands.


Yet we have examples of Force Users being cloned with success.


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^ "No Jedi can be successfully cloned, it's never been done" - Kota to Starkiller.

All other Starkiller clones were either retarded or completely docile to commands.


Dark Apprentice was more powerful than Galen so yeah it was a successful cloning. C'Baoth was also successfully cloned, and he successfully cloned Luke Skywalker (Luuke being equal to Luke).

Force users can be cloned.


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Darth Thor
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Dark Apprentice was more powerful than Galen so yeah it was a successful cloning. C'Baoth was also successfully cloned, and he successfully cloned Luke Skywalker (Luuke being equal to Luke).

Force users can be cloned.



Dark Apprentice and ESB Luke were completely docile clones.

But yeah you're right about you're right about C'Baoth. Although to be fair that was Pre-Prequels when the general idea was the "Clone Wars" was all about cloned force users.

Still, could just be C'Baoth was the exception. Within the realm and timeframe of TFU2 though, they made out it's still not really a possibility.

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but if marek never died... then wtf was sids on when he couldn't sense him being alive despite being directly above him?



Perhaps he was barely alive, and perhaps Palpatine doesn't know absolutely everything.

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Dark Apprentice and ESB Luke were completely docile clones.

But yeah you're right about you're right about C'Baoth. Although to be fair that was Pre-Prequels when the general idea was the "Clone Wars" was all about cloned force users.

Still, could just be C'Baoth was the exception. Within the realm and timeframe of TFU2 though, they made out it's still not really a possibility.


Well, they were engineered to follow commands, not have wills of their own. So yeah, being docile to their masters was kind of the point. Which proves the cloning was successful in that context.

The Clone Wars was all about cloned Force wielders? Really? I didn't know that. Did Lucas or someone state that?


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C'Baoth was mad af, I wouldn't call him succesful cloning.


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C'Baoth was mad af, I wouldn't call him succesful cloning.


He was a madman, yeah, but he was still insanely powerful. If he wanted to retain/increase his power he was successful.


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Well, they were engineered to follow commands, not have wills of their own. So yeah, being docile to their masters was kind of the point. Which proves the cloning was successful in that context.



That's just a theory. We have no proof of proper free thinking Jedi clones.


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The Clone Wars was all about cloned Force wielders? Really? I didn't know that. Did Lucas or someone state that?



Nobody had a clue what the clone wars were in that time. Isn't there some line in Heir to the Empire about dark Jedi crashing on Dagobah or something during the clone wars.

They didn't have a clue. Heck the Rule of Two wasn't even established yet.

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That's just a theory. We have no proof of proper free thinking Jedi clones.





Nobody had a clue what the clone wars were in that time. Isn't there some line in Heir to the Empire about dark Jedi crashing on Dagobah or something during the clone wars.

They didn't have a clue. Heck the Rule of Two wasn't even established yet.
The dark Jedi crashing on dagobah and fighting Yoda was in Visions of the Future. The novel takes place around 25 aby, and car'das (the guy who was telling the story) said he's been thinking about their fight for the last 45 years, which would put it around the rots time frame, and since Yoda was already there I'd assume it took place after rots. But Car'das also says, that after, when he left, Palpatine was still a senator amassing power.

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Originally posted by Darth Thor
That's just a theory. We have no proof of proper free thinking Jedi clones.





Nobody had a clue what the clone wars were in that time. Isn't there some line in Heir to the Empire about dark Jedi crashing on Dagobah or something during the clone wars.

They didn't have a clue. Heck the Rule of Two wasn't even established yet.


C'Baoth? Yeah, he was mad, but had plans of his own and had apprentices, following no one at all.

The Dark Jedi clash did happen on Dagobah but they weren't clones to my knowledge. Just Dark Side force wielders.


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Perhaps he was barely alive, and perhaps Palpatine doesn't know absolutely everything.

Nah, the only plausible explanation is that Vader prevented Palpatine from sensing that Starkiller was alive showcasing his superior power. smile

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Nah, the only plausible explanation is that Vader prevented Palpatine from sensing that Starkiller was alive showcasing his superior power. smile


It's not just plausible, it's canonical that Vader is far more formidable than Palpatine smile


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It's not just plausible, it's canonical that Vader is far more formidable than Palpatine smile

yes

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