KMC Forums

 
  REGISTER HERE TO JOIN IN! - It's easy and it's free!
Already a member? Log-in!
 
 
Home » Star Wars » Star Wars: Literature & Expanded Universe » Star Wars Versus Forum » Outlander vs. Yoda


Outlander vs. Yoda
Started by: carthage

Forum Jump:
Post New Thread    Post A Reply
  Last Thread   Next Thread
Author
Thread
carthage
PLEASE PROTECT ME STONES

Registered: Mar 2014
Location: THE BLACK LODGE


 

Outlander vs. Yoda

Can the Outlander use his Chapter 12 boost to win?

Force sabers all out


__________________
"Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk

Old Post Aug 29th, 2017 03:59 AM
Click here to Send carthage a Private Message Find more posts by carthage Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Haschwalth
Senior Member

Registered: Jul 2017
Location:


 

No.

Old Post Aug 29th, 2017 04:04 AM
Click here to Send Haschwalth a Private Message Find more posts by Haschwalth Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Rockydonovang
freedom fighter

Registered: Dec 2016
Location:


 

Yoda trips on his stick and kneels to the dragon of Zakuul...

and then proceeds to knee the dragon in his face.

Old Post Aug 29th, 2017 04:39 AM
Click here to Send Rockydonovang a Private Message Find more posts by Rockydonovang Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
S_W_LeGenD
Senior Member

Registered: Nov 2006
Location: EARTH


 

In the aftermath of the destruction of Ziost, Valkorion had become so powerful that he had to be careful in creating a VOICE for himself. Even powerful Force-users could not bear the pressure of his essence anymore.

After loosing his major VOICE in a fight (see Chapter 1 of Knights of the Fallen Empire), Valkorion infiltrated the mind of the Outlander and slowly but surely enhanced the latter's Force-sensitivity (and powers) in order to transform him into a vessel that could house his essence safely, much like in the case of the original Valkorion.

"You were an exemplary pawn, one I forged into a vessel of supreme power--worthy of preserving my spirit." (Valkorion)

We see evidence of that in this fight:

(please log in to view the image)

(please log in to view the image)

That power swiftly overwhelmed Arcann and Senya (together) and was ripping the entire setting apart. And the latter two are powerhouses in their own right.

The Outlander is also superb with a lightsaber.

---

This should be an excellent fight for both.

Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Aug 29th, 2017 at 06:52 AM

Old Post Aug 29th, 2017 06:40 AM
Click here to Send S_W_LeGenD a Private Message Find more posts by S_W_LeGenD Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
BlueTiger1144
Senior Member

Registered: Aug 2017
Location:


 

Yoda ragdolls.

Old Post Aug 29th, 2017 07:30 AM
Click here to Send BlueTiger1144 a Private Message Find more posts by BlueTiger1144 Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Azronger
Azronger Reborn

Registered: Jun 2016
Location: The Throne of the Sheevites


 

quote: (post)
Originally posted by BlueTiger1144
Yoda disintegrates with a thought.


__________________

Old Post Aug 29th, 2017 10:14 AM
Click here to Send Azronger a Private Message Find more posts by Azronger Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
MythLord
Diamond

Registered: Feb 2015
Location: Homeworld


 

Yoda near enough stomps, yeah.


__________________

"Hello, Starlight."

Old Post Aug 29th, 2017 10:58 AM
Click here to Send MythLord a Private Message Find more posts by MythLord Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
The Immortal Emperor

Registered: Aug 2013
Location: The Eternal Throne


 

Yoda in a good fight.


__________________

”You presume limits to my power. There are none.”

Old Post Aug 29th, 2017 11:33 AM
Click here to Send XSUPREMEXSKILLZ a Private Message Find more posts by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
FreshestSlice
Eternal Commander

Registered: May 2014
Location:


 

There's more to a fight than raw power. Yoda's a better combatant in all ways.

Old Post Aug 29th, 2017 11:52 AM
Click here to Send FreshestSlice a Private Message Find more posts by FreshestSlice Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
The Immortal Emperor

Registered: Aug 2013
Location: The Eternal Throne


 

I agree.


__________________

”You presume limits to my power. There are none.”

Old Post Aug 29th, 2017 12:43 PM
Click here to Send XSUPREMEXSKILLZ a Private Message Find more posts by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Azronger
Azronger Reborn

Registered: Jun 2016
Location: The Throne of the Sheevites


 

quote: (post)
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
In the aftermath of the destruction of Ziost, Valkorion had become so powerful that he had to be careful in creating a VOICE for himself. Even powerful Force-users could not bear the pressure of his essence anymore.

After loosing his major VOICE in a fight (see Chapter 1 of Knights of the Fallen Empire), Valkorion infiltrated the mind of the Outlander and slowly but surely enhanced the latter's Force-sensitivity (and powers) in order to transform him into a vessel that could house his essence safely, much like in the case of the original Valkorion.

"You were an exemplary pawn, one I forged into a vessel of supreme power--worthy of preserving my spirit." (Valkorion)

We see evidence of that in this fight:

(please log in to view the image)

(please log in to view the image)

That power swiftly overwhelmed Arcann and Senya (together) and was ripping the entire setting apart. And the latter two are powerhouses in their own right.

The Outlander is also superb with a lightsaber.

---

This should be an excellent fight for both.


You said in the other thread that you wanted feedback. Alright, I'll give it to you:

The primary reason this argument fails is that it has literally no connection to Yoda. You are pushing an extremely controversial stance that virtually no one on these boards agrees with, so forming a logical connection between the two combatants is vital, even if everyone is already familiar with the lore. Yet such a connection doesn't exist in your post; you simply present material for the Outlander and then conclude that he can present a challenge for Yoda. The basic structure looks something like this:

Premise 1: The Outlander has this and this going for him
Conclusion: A fight between the Outlander and Yoda would be excellent

Simply based on the premise you have outlined, this conclusion is not logical, because - and this is the key here - it doesn't explain why the Outlander's feats and such make him a challenge for Yoda; it doesn't explain why you arrived at this specific conclusion. I could make all sorts of conclusions just based on this single premise, for example:

Premise 1: The Outlander has this and this going for him
Conclusion: The Outlander gets stomped by Darth Maul

Or:

Premise 1: The Outlander has this and this going for him
Conclusion: The Outlander solos all of Star Wars

Neither of these are logical, because they are based on just a single premise i.e. they follow the exact same structure that your argument does. For the conclusion to be supported, more than one premise is required. Here is an example of a proper way to do it:

Premise 1: The Outlander has this and this going for him
Premise 2: Yoda's best feats are of similar caliber (obviously I don't agree with this but you'd provide evidence)
Conclusion: A fight between the Outlander and Yoda would be excellent

There is a clear connection between the two premises that can be found, and from which a conclusion can be drawn. My advice for you here would be to break down your argument to its fundamental pieces i.e. premises, and then look for a logical connection between them, and then see if it supports your conclusion. If it doesn't, more premises are needed, or your conclusion is simply erronous and needs readjusting.


__________________

Old Post Aug 29th, 2017 01:55 PM
Click here to Send Azronger a Private Message Find more posts by Azronger Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
thesithmaster
Dark Lord of the Sith

Registered: Jul 2017
Location: The Sith Temple


 

Yoda blinks; Outlander dies.


__________________
"Once more, the Sith will rule the galaxy! And... we shall have... peace."

Old Post Aug 29th, 2017 02:22 PM
Click here to Send thesithmaster a Private Message Find more posts by thesithmaster Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
slayne
Revanite

Registered: Feb 2017
Location: Canada


 

Yoda wins.

Old Post Aug 29th, 2017 02:26 PM
Click here to Send slayne a Private Message Find more posts by slayne Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
TenebrousWay
God Tier Vaylin

Registered: Sep 2016
Location:


 

Outlander does better than Revan, though. smile


__________________

"On the edge of sanity"

Old Post Aug 29th, 2017 02:49 PM
Click here to Send TenebrousWay a Private Message Find more posts by TenebrousWay Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
S_W_LeGenD
Senior Member

Registered: Nov 2006
Location: EARTH


 

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Azronger
You said in the other thread that you wanted feedback. Alright, I'll give it to you:

The primary reason this argument fails is that it has literally no connection to Yoda. You are pushing an extremely controversial stance that virtually no one on these boards agrees with, so forming a logical connection between the two combatants is vital, even if everyone is already familiar with the lore. Yet such a connection doesn't exist in your post; you simply present material for the Outlander and then conclude that he can present a challenge for Yoda. The basic structure looks something like this:

Premise 1: The Outlander has this and this going for him
Conclusion: A fight between the Outlander and Yoda would be excellent

Simply based on the premise you have outlined, this conclusion is not logical, because - and this is the key here - it doesn't explain why the Outlander's feats and such make him a challenge for Yoda; it doesn't explain why you arrived at this specific conclusion. I could make all sorts of conclusions just based on this single premise, for example:

Premise 1: The Outlander has this and this going for him
Conclusion: The Outlander gets stomped by Darth Maul

Or:

Premise 1: The Outlander has this and this going for him
Conclusion: The Outlander solos all of Star Wars

Neither of these are logical, because they are based on just a single premise i.e. they follow the exact same structure that your argument does. For the conclusion to be supported, more than one premise is required. Here is an example of a proper way to do it:

Premise 1: The Outlander has this and this going for him
Premise 2: Yoda's best feats are of similar caliber (obviously I don't agree with this but you'd provide evidence)
Conclusion: A fight between the Outlander and Yoda would be excellent

There is a clear connection between the two premises that can be found, and from which a conclusion can be drawn. My advice for you here would be to break down your argument to its fundamental pieces i.e. premises, and then look for a logical connection between them, and then see if it supports your conclusion. If it doesn't, more premises are needed, or your conclusion is simply erronous and needs readjusting.

Thank you for your feedback. However, you misunderstood the point of that post.

I provided a reasonable opening for this discussion by stating a few facts about the Outlander and why I think he can provide a decent challenge to Yoda. An interested individual will see it as a bait and carry this discussion further.

Here is an example of a (self-sufficient) argument from me conversely: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...mp;pagenumber=2

Virtually no response from the person whom it was directed towards anyways. However, those are the kind of posts that people tend to overlook while assessing my debating potential. I can do analysis and formulate self-sufficient arguments when I feel inclined to but I do not have time for this in regards to Star Wars.

---

I see no point in ranking people whose potential/contributions are not clear enough to me. I am not in the position to rank every member of this forum in regards to his/her debating skills.

I was a bit surprised to see some members ranking me when they have virtually no debating experience with me. If they are ranking people in this manner, then their rankings are completely pointless.

Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Aug 29th, 2017 at 06:33 PM

Old Post Aug 29th, 2017 06:24 PM
Click here to Send S_W_LeGenD a Private Message Find more posts by S_W_LeGenD Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Prof. T.C McAbe
Kryptonian Scientist

Registered: Feb 2007
Location: BatCave


 

Yoda and it isn't even close.


__________________


Sig made by my mate, the one and only One_Angry_Scot

Old Post Aug 29th, 2017 09:13 PM
Click here to Send Prof. T.C McAbe a Private Message Find more posts by Prof. T.C McAbe Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
All times are UTC. The time now is 07:40 AM.
  Last Thread   Next Thread

Email this Page
Subscribe to this Thread
   Post New Thread  Post A Reply

Forum Jump:
Search by user:
 

Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is OFF
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON

Text-only version
 

< Contact Us - KillerMovies.com - Forum Archive - Forum Rules >


© Copyright 2000-2006, KillerMovies.com. All Rights Reserved.
Forum powered by: vBulletin, copyright ©2000-2006, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.