Can the Outlander use his Chapter 12 boost to win?
Force sabers all out
__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
In the aftermath of the destruction of Ziost, Valkorion had become so powerful that he had to be careful in creating a VOICE for himself. Even powerful Force-users could not bear the pressure of his essence anymore.
After loosing his major VOICE in a fight (see Chapter 1 of Knights of the Fallen Empire), Valkorion infiltrated the mind of the Outlander and slowly but surely enhanced the latter's Force-sensitivity (and powers) in order to transform him into a vessel that could house his essence safely, much like in the case of the original Valkorion.
"You were an exemplary pawn, one I forged into a vessel of supreme power--worthy of preserving my spirit." (Valkorion)
We see evidence of that in this fight:
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That power swiftly overwhelmed Arcann and Senya (together) and was ripping the entire setting apart. And the latter two are powerhouses in their own right.
The Outlander is also superb with a lightsaber.
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This should be an excellent fight for both.
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Aug 29th, 2017 at 06:52 AM
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You said in the other thread that you wanted feedback. Alright, I'll give it to you:
The primary reason this argument fails is that it has literally no connection to Yoda. You are pushing an extremely controversial stance that virtually no one on these boards agrees with, so forming a logical connection between the two combatants is vital, even if everyone is already familiar with the lore. Yet such a connection doesn't exist in your post; you simply present material for the Outlander and then conclude that he can present a challenge for Yoda. The basic structure looks something like this:
Premise 1: The Outlander has this and this going for him
Conclusion: A fight between the Outlander and Yoda would be excellent
Simply based on the premise you have outlined, this conclusion is not logical, because - and this is the key here - it doesn't explain why the Outlander's feats and such make him a challenge for Yoda; it doesn't explain why you arrived at this specific conclusion. I could make all sorts of conclusions just based on this single premise, for example:
Premise 1: The Outlander has this and this going for him
Conclusion: The Outlander gets stomped by Darth Maul
Or:
Premise 1: The Outlander has this and this going for him
Conclusion: The Outlander solos all of Star Wars
Neither of these are logical, because they are based on just a single premise i.e. they follow the exact same structure that your argument does. For the conclusion to be supported, more than one premise is required. Here is an example of a proper way to do it:
Premise 1: The Outlander has this and this going for him
Premise 2: Yoda's best feats are of similar caliber (obviously I don't agree with this but you'd provide evidence)
Conclusion: A fight between the Outlander and Yoda would be excellent
There is a clear connection between the two premises that can be found, and from which a conclusion can be drawn. My advice for you here would be to break down your argument to its fundamental pieces i.e. premises, and then look for a logical connection between them, and then see if it supports your conclusion. If it doesn't, more premises are needed, or your conclusion is simply erronous and needs readjusting.
Thank you for your feedback. However, you misunderstood the point of that post.
I provided a reasonable opening for this discussion by stating a few facts about the Outlander and why I think he can provide a decent challenge to Yoda. An interested individual will see it as a bait and carry this discussion further.
Virtually no response from the person whom it was directed towards anyways. However, those are the kind of posts that people tend to overlook while assessing my debating potential. I can do analysis and formulate self-sufficient arguments when I feel inclined to but I do not have time for this in regards to Star Wars.
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I see no point in ranking people whose potential/contributions are not clear enough to me. I am not in the position to rank every member of this forum in regards to his/her debating skills.
I was a bit surprised to see some members ranking me when they have virtually no debating experience with me. If they are ranking people in this manner, then their rankings are completely pointless.
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Aug 29th, 2017 at 06:33 PM