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Rockydonovang
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People seem to be missing the

"or was cybernetic enhancement too simple an explanation?"

not that I'd take this seriously

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I must be missing something. How would it be canon, the date above the article is 2003, and the heading states he's an expanded universe character.

Also it seems to be just a review and the link to the author (if it's current with the article) says he's no longer a star wars employee, instead he's just a freelancer.

One-time Star Wars RPG editor Cory Herndon is now a freelance writer, editor, and game designer.

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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
People seem to be missing the

"or was cybernetic enhancement too simple an explanation?"

not that I'd take this seriously

Probably a reference to the star forge in all honesty.

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Azronger
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Originally posted by Beniboybling
Ah good, not canon then.


And why is that?


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Azronger
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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Raptor22
I must be missing something. How would it be canon, the date above the article is 2003, and the heading states he's an expanded universe character.


I mean the Legends canon, not Disney Canon.

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Also it seems to be just a review and the link to the author (if it's current with the article) says he's no longer a star wars employee, instead he's just a freelancer.

One-time Star Wars RPG editor Cory Herndon is now a freelance writer, editor, and game designer.


Chee still states Internet articles are canon.


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What people don't look into is that later on they talk about Malak using some "hidden source" of power to greatly increase his status. They are obviously referring to the Star Forge but at the time they didn't want to spoil the SF. The cybernetic enhancements is a ref herring. I believe Malak with the SF>Kun and Nadd going by that quote.


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Originally posted by The Merchant
What people don't look into is that later on they talk about Malak using some "hidden source" of power to greatly increase his status. They are obviously referring to the Star Forge but at the time they didn't want to spoil the SF. The cybernetic enhancements is a ref herring. I believe Malak with the SF>Kun and Nadd going by that quote.


And by that it goes, all the ancient Sith Lords <Thon=<Ulic<Exar kun<Malak SF<Kotor Revan<Novel Revan=<Novel Vitiate.

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There's a quote that says Thon>ancient Sith lords? May you post it? And yes I agree with that scaling.


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Originally posted by The Merchant
There's a quote that says Thon>ancient Sith lords? May you post it? And yes I agree with that scaling.

Its more so his feat on ambria that is why I place him here.
The only ancient sith who have shown anything close to what Thon did was via the use of rituals/alchemy/sorcery/Trinkets etc.

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Azronger
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quote: (post)
Originally posted by The Merchant
What people don't look into is that later on they talk about Malak using some "hidden source" of power to greatly increase his status. They are obviously referring to the Star Forge but at the time they didn't want to spoil the SF. The cybernetic enhancements is a ref herring. I believe Malak with the SF>Kun and Nadd going by that quote.


Well, yeah, it's pretty obviously hinting at the Star Forge as the source of Malak's Kun+ powers. But that's not what we're discussing here.


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Originally posted by Azronger
Also, for anyone wondering for the context of the quote, here's the full article:

http://web.archive.org/web/20090603...sw20031009malak

As you can see, it's lore-related, not gameplay-related.


Does the article having been taken down make it not-canon to Legends?


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DarthAnt66
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Nah. If that was the case, quotes from starwars.com would be tossed out the window.


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The Invalidity of Malak's Superiority to Kun

The quote under dispute is invalid for two important reasons.

1. Matt Martin, member of the Lucasfilm story group and Lucas Licensing (who also worked on SWTOR), has stated... (please log in to view the image).
The immediate counter is to assume the quote is referring to the lore, not to the RPG itself; however, the individual who wrote this citation is an RPG editor. His authority only matters in the power levels of the game. This truth is further accentuated based on his role in the Dark Side Source Book. (He was the RPG guy)
http://web.archive.org/web/20090603...io/herndoncory, http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cory_J._Herndon All of this goes to say, that the quote is referring to power in the RPG, not within the lore.
2. The article we are referring to was taken down in 2009. The significance of this is up to individual interpretation, but it no longer is officially in the continuity.

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Azronger
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quote: (post)
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Does the article having been taken down make it not-canon to Legends?


Not to my knowledge, no.


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Re: The Invalidity of Malak's Superiority to Kun

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Originally posted by DarthSkywalker0
The quote under dispute is invalid for two important reasons.

1. Matt Martin, member of the Lucasfilm story group and Lucas Licensing (who also worked on SWTOR), has stated... [b](please log in to view the image)
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The immediate counter is to assume the quote is referring to the lore, not to the RPG itself; however, the individual who wrote this citation is an RPG editor. His authority only matters in the power levels of the game. This truth is further accentuated based on his role in the Dark Side Source Book. (He was the RPG guy)
http://web.archive.org/web/20090603...io/herndoncory, http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cory_J._Herndon All of this goes to say, that the quote is referring to power in the RPG, not within the lore.


You are making a huge logical leap assuming that an RPG editor can't write lore-related articles at all. Nothing in the article in question implies the quote is confined only to gameplay.

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2. The article we are referring to was taken down in 2009. The significance of this is up to individual interpretation, but it no longer is officially in the continuity.


Proof?


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For all intent and purposes Star Forge Malak should be more powerful than how he is portrayed.


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Originally posted by Deronn_solo
For all intent and purposes Star Forge Malak should be more powerful than how he is portrayed.


Indeed. A mere Star Map was the source of the Ancient Sith's power on Korriban, and it was described as blindingly powerful by Ajunta Pall, a peer of Karness Muur and co. The Star Forge then should be infinitely more powerful, and Malak was capable of harnessing its power fully, so one can only imagine how much more powerful it would make him.

Darth Malak with the Star Forge amplification being far more powerful than Freedon Nadd or Exar Kun shouldn't be out of the question at all.


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Originally posted by Azronger
Indeed. A mere Star Map was the source of the Ancient Sith's power on Korriban, and it was described as blindingly powerful by Ajunta Pall, a peer of Karness Muur and co. The Star Forge then should be infinitely more powerful, and Malak was capable of harnessing its power fully, so one can only imagine how much more powerful it would make him.

Darth Malak with the Star Forge amplification being far more powerful than Freedon Nadd or Exar Kun shouldn't be out of the question at all.


You never told me about your love for Malak, I figured since you didn't like Revan/Vitiate, he would fall under the same category.

And the blinding power could be argued to come from Revan.

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Originally posted by Deronn_solo
For all intent and purposes Star Forge Malak should be more powerful than how he is portrayed.

Agreed, he is just overshadowed by Revan, which is nothing to be ashamed of tbh.

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Originally posted by Haschwalth
You never told me about your love for Malak, I figured since you didn't like Revan/Vitiate, he would fall under the same category.

And the blinding power could be argued to come from Revan.


Malak is one of my favorite characters, yeah. And I don't dislike Revan outside of TOR. I am actually a huge fan of the Revan presented in the original KotOR games.


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