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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Luke outright admitted Vader would stomp him if Vader was trying to kill him, but then again, ROTJ Vader is>>Rebels Vader.

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Originally posted by Darth Thor
That's all Legends.

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
is this canon only?

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Originally posted by Darth Thor
I thought that's the default. Unless specifically mentioning someone from Legends only like Revan or Starkiller.

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Nobody in the forum seems to care aside from a handful of exceptions tbh.

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Originally posted by Zenwolf
Since Canon has Luke tripping over his own two feet and doubts himself....for whatever reason. Can't really see him win this.

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Did Luke not outright stalemate vader in canon?

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Originally posted by Zenwolf
A conflicted Vader it seems. But even still all his other showings thus far in Canon haven't been really great aside from like a couple of instances. The current SW comic series from what I've read, Luke doubts his abilities in being a Jedi and all sorts of other nonsense.

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
that's a pre-prime luke though.

And regarding Vader, Luke was hindered too. Not to mentionthe Vader in ROTJ is likely better than the one who beat and is holistically superior to Ahoska in rebels.

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Originally posted by Zenwolf
Yeah but that's all we have for Luke up to Rotj. As far as combat goes against Force Users.
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Originally posted by Zenwolf
How was Luke hindered? I mean yeah he didn't want to kill him,

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Originally posted by Zenwolf
but how does that say anything? Likely better, how so? Proof? [/B]

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
So then, why don't we take what happened regarding the version of Luke in this thread rather than the pre-prime version of him?

Not wanting to fight Vader would hinder him I'd imagine.

Well, given that Ben Kenobi deepened his connection to the force and improved as a swordsman despite rotting in exile. I'd imagine Vader, who was active in shutting down the rebellion would be capable of growing.

There's also Vader stating in a vision that he became more powerful with every step he took away from Kenobi(this is after killing him).

The quote about him being in his prime per rebels is talking about Vader's hatred and given the context of the quote mentions this only changes when Luke redeems him, this would apply to vader with the exception of when Luke is exploiting his conflict to make him good.

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Originally posted by Zenwolf
[B]Because there's nothing really for Rotj Luke as far as what he has done, anything else is speculation . But you're really gonna go with a Luke fighting a hindered Vader over Ashoka who was fighting a Vader that was wanting her dead?

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Originally posted by Zenwolf
Ok I guess. I'd probably agree if they had more to show near the timeframe.

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Originally posted by Zenwolf
I recall that when he discovers Luke, not after he dies.

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Like I said, both were hindered. I can reasonably argue that Luke=Vader, I can't argue the same for Ahsoka.

It would make it more solid, but based on relevant evidence, the argument for Luke stalemating Vader is more solid than the argument he can't.

True, but I like I said, prime is not referring to Vader's combative power.

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang


Not wanting to fight Vader would hinder him I'd imagine.