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Rockydonovang
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Originally posted by Rebel95
Lol if he was winning the fight why did he have to sacrifice himself to let Luke escape? It's like the author didn't even watch the movie

In fairness, in canon, it's not clear he ceded the fight because of inferiority.

For one thing, storm troopers were coming to give Vader support.

For another, Letting himself die would stop Luke from doing the suicidal thing and stick around for the hope ben would escape with them.

Luke escaping was far more important in the grand scheme of things than Ben escaping or even killing Vader

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In fairness, in canon, it's not clear he ceded the fight because of inferiority.

For one thing, storm troopers were coming to give Vader support.

For another, Letting himself die would stop Luke from doing the suicidal thing and stick around for the hope ben would escape with them.

Luke escaping was far more important in the grand scheme of things than Ben escaping or even killing Vader



But if he killed Vader he could have easily killed the stormtroopers and escaped with Luke.

So it's pretty clear.

With Ben dead, Vader could have easily stopped Luke. He was just "hoping" for the distraction of his body disappearing.

The Troopers were just watching, and Han, Luke plus the Millennium Falcon could have shot them down had they started interfering.

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But if he killed Vader he could have easily killed the stormtroopers and escaped with Luke.

You're assuming Ben could immediately claim victory over a peer. Given their parity, finishing a duel would have undoubtedly been a lengthy affair.

STARWARS.com agrees with me:
http://www.starwars.com/films/star-...e-story-gallery

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Vader is a level four. Kenobi's a six. Who did you think was going to win? smile

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Vader is a level four. Kenobi's a six. Who did you think was going to win? smile

yes

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You're assuming Ben could immediately claim victory over a peer. Given their parity, finishing a duel would have undoubtedly been a lengthy affair.



Yeah so even if Obi-Wan could win there was at least enough parity that it would take him a very long time.


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STARWARS.com agrees with me:
http://www.starwars.com/films/star-...e-story-gallery



All it says there is Obi-Wan sacrificed himself for Luke to escape.

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Yeah so even if Obi-Wan could win there was at least enough parity that it would take him a very long time.

I never said otherwise.


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All it says there is Obi-Wan sacrificed himself for Luke to escape. [/B]

Which confirms an alternative explanation to it being a result of inferiority

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Which confirms an alternative explanation to it being a result of inferiority



My point being he's probably not superior. If he was he likely wouldn't need to sacrifice himself for Luke to escape.

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My point being he's probably not superior. If he was he likely wouldn't need to sacrifice himself for Luke to escape.

Don't think anyone said he was superior

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Apparently Lucas & friends did. smile

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The idea of Vader using telekinetic powers during his fight with Luke was created during story meetings. There was concern, however, that the audience might think back to the first film and wonder why Vader didn't use all his powers on Ben; but this was easily explained by the fact that Ben was probably stronger than Vader. George Lucas and Leigh Brackett also discussed the different levels of the Force; maybe Ben was a six, Vader was a four, Luke is now at level two.

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^ Ha! Where's that from? Making of ESB?

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The annotated screenplays, IIRC.

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And then he helped write a book that completely contradicted that. Almost as if he was making this shit up as he went along.

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