Actually fair enough, I misremembered the order of events here.
Yeah, none of this substantiates your assertion that Maul wouldn't be putting his strength into a direct overhead strike intended to cleave Ahsoka in two which leaves your claim:
I said it can override Physical degradement, not Physical injury
He landed grounded kicks too. All of his kicks affected Oppress though.
Making this legends wouldn't do you any favors. Maul has no strength feats on par with Kenobi catching Grevious's ship denting punch and then bending Greviou's arm like a cheap spoon. Maul is only assumed to be stronger because of impressive crap he did pre-prime being more impressive than what Kenobi did pre-prime. The argument being that Kenobi's better results physically are a result of superior skill than strength.
No, because Tano has sent Maul flailing backwards by virtue of her strength. Hence there's an argument to be made for Ahsoka causing Maul problems with her strength.
It's still negligible, especially considering we've seen Ahsoka physically overpower Maul.
That Maul knows martial arts doesn't prove he's skilled enough to effectively use these martial arts on Ahsoka who also can use martial arts.
A beat up Kenobi taking a second to get up from Maul landing three successive hits on him doesn't really help your argument much tbh: https://youtu.be/DlJiphrbLyg?t=1m16s
When Sidious wasn't fighting at full speed, yea.
And you've yet to provide evidence indicating she couldn't "put up with that", which renders your conclusion that Maul could take the w via his supposed physical superiority, dubious.
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Maul shit stomped Obi-Wan almost every time in TCW, apart from duel blades Ataru rage amp Kenobi. Even in that case Maul still wrecked him with the force.
Well check your facts then before making up BS counters to someone whose giving you actual evidence from the very source you're using to support your own agenda.
It's for you to prove he was given all the evidence I've presented against your own speculation based on things that don't even happen. a Lightsaber only needs to touch Ahsoka's head to kill her, and as far as Maul's concerned she's a very sub-par opponent to him. Hardly someone he needs all his strength to defeat Lol.
Ahsoka is canonically stated to have used her full strength. There's nothing anywhere suggesting Maul was doing the same.
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Thor already corrected you here.
That entire fight was a sustained bout of strength by Dooku; Anakin never over-powered him once there.
It's not an anomaly nor is it consistent in that case. Fights are independent of each other. What happens in one does not determine what will happen in another. Repetition is the only real way to definitively place a combatant above another, and being that this is their only fight, using Ahsoka's one or two instances where she overpowers Maul as an indication of superior strength would be the equivalent of saying Dooku is stronger than Anakin using only the one fight from earlier.
To be fair, we can't assume Dooku is more physically capable than his younger self because that quote is legends. Physical augmentation in as it relates to age is pretty untouched in canon from what I can tell.
You want one? Maul needing a cane during this era. If we want to dwell into legends, Stover's ROTS novel states how astonished Sidious was when he tried to run without the aid of the force. Obviously this is not a handicap when fighting Yoda because he too shares the same problem, canceling out any sort of disadvantage.
Now when you compare Maul and Tano, two force users who are on a similar tier (we can agree on at least), the latter who does not have any physical decrepitudes, it would be reasonable to assume that Maul has to channel significantly more of his energy into simply sustaining his degrading body during combat than Ahsoka.
It's not a residual amount of energy being used either, because even someone as powerful as RotJ Sidious couldn't passively sustain himself in-definitively as shown by the use of a cane throughout the films (the one exception being when fighting Luke).
I'm too stupid to understand your point. Malanchor isn't a nexus in canon, so it's not aiding him.
That assumption here is that Maul and Ahsoka on on relatively similar force tiers when it comes to their overall powers, reserves, strength, speed, etc. While I cannot speculate how long it would take for someone like Sidious to expend their reserves on augmentation, we can speculate that Rebels Maul is using more of his energy on augmentation than a physically fit Ahsoka who isn't suffering from the corrupting nature of the dark-side.
It shows how quickly Ahsoka tired from the fight. She's not on Vader's tier so who's tier is she on?
You know very-well that one of those was a clear-cut blade-lock when Tano pushed back even from a disadvantaged spot.
So we agree that both Maul and Ahsoka aren't as strong as Vader. So neither is going to be over-powering the other consistently, right?
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He corrected me on a misremembering of evidence that still leaves us with your and thor's claim as unsubstantiated. Regardless you can ignore that baldelock if you like, it isn't remotely essential to my argument.
No, it wasn't a bout of strength, it was a bout of skill. Since Dooku is more skilled than Anakin at that point, he was able to repeatedly use superior skill to clown him.
Sorry Kurk, but we base conclusions of the evidence we receive, not of the evidence you think we should receive. And Kurk, if your stance here is we don't have enough information, then why are you trying to draw a conclusion? If your stance is you don't know, then you shouldn't be arguing anything here.
A false equivalency. Not only has Dooku never been able to overpower Anakinin the manner Ahsoka overpowered Maul, but unlike with maul and Ahsoka, we have multiple examples of Anakin directly overpowering Dooku in sustained bouts of strength.
If you want to keep this exclusive to canon, fair enough. However we can simply refer to Rebels Maul growing as a duelist despite his natural physical degradement.
Yes, when he wasn't fighting and was not making use of the superior force augmentation his greater power would grant him.
Why is what Sidious can do without the force relevant to his combative abilities with the force?
Which would make Ahsoka being stronger than Rebels Maul logical. Now why is this relevant to SOD Maul who isn't as powerful as either?
You act as if ROTS Sidious could fight forever. No force user has infinite stamina, however a more powerful force user has bigger force reserves to draw on and hence will be able to fight longer.
Says who? I have an authorial statement from Henry Gilroy implying otherwise
Not SOD Maul who's feats are outclassed by an inferior version of Vader to the one who both Maul and Ahsoka share a degree of near parity to.
Now explain why this means SOD Maul, who doesn't have the force reserves Rebels Maul has would be able to do better? In fact, given that Ahsoka and SOD Maul are of similar age, I'd think Ahsoka being a force user who Vader wouldn't bother to directly tk until she had her defenses down, on a nexus, would be able to do just fine against Maul considering her greater power.
Tiring after more than a minuite of fighting isn't quickly tiring bro. And I'm not seeing why she isn't on Vader's tier when she can contend with him in unfavorable circumstances for more than minute before the fight is prematurely ended. On the other hand, given LOTS Vader's feats sh!t on SOD Maul's, I wonder why you think Maul would be doing as ell as Ahsoka did.
Brief bladelocks aren't solid indications of strength, a sustained bout, where both opponents are trying to physically overpower the other, are.
That both are sub-Vader doesn't make the two equal. Ahsoka has physically overpowered a more powerful version of Maul and can be assumed to wield considerably more power than SOD Maul given her closeness with a considerably more powerful force user in Vader.
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Alright, I can nitpick the details here but overall you've effectively supported the idea that SoD Maul doesn't have the force capacity to win an extended fight with Ahsoka. You have my fodder concession.
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Vader was only distracted in a single moment of the fight. Vader was trying to kill her. Dave said that Ashoka takes second place in the people that Vader wants dead the most. Second only to Obi-Wan.
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