How? The magic the LotR armies wield alone would destroy everything that Westeros has to offer, then we have beings like the Balrog, Smaug and Sauron. Tom Bombadil alone would sing off any army from westeros. Even if you take out the Maiar and Valar you are left with Galadriel, Elrond, Aragorn, Glorfindel. The last two capable to destroy the 10 most skilled fighters from westeros alone. This is a horrible mismatch. ASoIaF is low magic, low fantasy, it's focus lies somewhere else. The dragons are small stupid beasts compared to the likes of Smaug or Ancalagon and the undead slow and vulnerable compared to the ghost army that Aragorn commanded...
We possible outnumber ALL LoTR troops by 3! We got 3 Dragons. We got better weapons (100s of Scorpions which anyone could bring down smaug.Hobbit and LoTR has only 1 Dark Arrow! How will you bring down 3 dragons?) We got Wildfire too!!! Hundreds of Thousands of those! No matter how though your troops down they will BURN DOWN.
We got THOUSANDS of Boats. LoTR has been seen with none! We got better Leaders! LOTR is just a battle in where Sauron manages to defeat most of the troops because he OUTNUMBERS. In this CASE we outnumber. We got Tywin Lannister! No commander from LoTR would even come close to him in the battlefield!!
MAGIC? ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT?
We are talking about the ENTIRE ASOIF HERE! HAHAHAHA!
OKAY LET ME INTRODUCE YOU OUR MAGIC.
We got the White Walkers! They will raise the dead! Both your troops and mine.
We got the Greenseers and Bran! I have eyes everywhere!!!!
We got the Children of the Forest! Their magic is strong enough to create shields and craft powerful enchantments.
We got the Red Witches! They can cast any dark magic. They can see the future through the flames. This would be a HUGE advantage on the battlefield! More intel for the MIGHT TYWIN LANNISTER. They would know LoTR exact moves and strategies.
We got the Faceless Man! They are powerful assassins. Could kill anyone without they even knowing they were there!
We got the Warlocks. They are powerful magical beings from Essos.
We got the Dothraki Warlocks...Thousands of Thousands of them...Better Horsemen than any of LoTR.
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Not enough Elf wank in this thread.
The armies of Middle Earth aren't just bigger, they're better. Elves are Better Than You, and essentially super human. Doing shit like walking on top of snow and leaving no tracks by just being that good at sneaking. Named Elves were some of Tolkien's true "mortal" badasses. Depending how far back you go they can be entirely outlandish in their accomplishments.
I am aware of both Armies numbers. And I KNOW GOT Outnumbers here.
Yeah? I doubt that. First of all, there are humans in LoTR. And they are very powerful!
Now don't come and tell me your humans are superhumans, cause that would be stupid. If human's armies can face Orcs and all of Murdul's Forces then why woun't GOT?
Now regarding strategy and dicipline. GOT got better soldiers and more soldiers.
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Until you can source any of your claims I'm going to have to disregard them as just that.
The North is the largest kingdom in Westeros if the maps I've seen are accurate, and the only number given so far is that they could summon perhaps 45 000 men. That's simply not enough. You could multiply that by the seven kingdoms and whatnot, but 1. That'd be unfounded since several of those kingdoms are smaller. 2. You'd still be vastly outnumbered due to the combined forces of Mordor, Isengard, and the Kingdoms of Men.
The television show says something about the army of the dead being a hundred thousand or something, but it takes those guys seven seasons to walk the same distance Littlefinger rides in a day.
So I can't help but notice that the little needle-dicked retard still hasn't addressed a single quote from the very books he is arguing against in my post, which isn't surprising. My post is unassailable.
I didn't plan on doing any debating today because the approaching hurricane has made my internet very unreliable, but it won't take much time to discredit a post with no effort put into it.
I take it you haven't actually read my post. Until you do and address the feats I laid out within, you have no leg to stand on in this argument. You'll still lose, but at least people might need to actually address the baseless claims you are throwing out.
You would do well to remember that Sauron's Total forces is of 200K (Peter Jackson said that). And it is also known that the good guys' army was lower than these.
That would put LoTR armya arround 400K approx.
But since the Hobbit films were included that could raise up to 500K maximum.
Read down calculation of LoTR armies and approve it.
Also am gonna read it now only to DISCLAIM most of your claims. I didn't intended to because it is TOO LONG and since i know how this will play out i will most likely waste my time.
Leave the insults for yourself please. Else i will contact a moderator.
First of all! Aragon has faced brainless stupid foes. Jaime Lannister wouldn't even struggle in cutting that proud neck open.
Am not saying Gandalf isn't impressive. But he can't kill an entire army himself. Besides he will be busy counteracting Red Witches and Warlog's dark magics.
Don't underestimate the army of the dead. I don't see why those Orcs are any more formidable!
The Greenseers can Counter Act Souron's magic and spells. The White Walkers can do so too. The Children of the Forest...Same story. Sauron is an OVER RATED VILLAIN. HE WAS KILLED AFTER HIS FINGERS GO SLASHED!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHA WOW SO IMPRESSIVE!
We got 3 DRAGONS. You got one. We got hundreds of SCORPIONS and DRAGON KILLER ARROWS. You got ONLY 1 BLACK ARROW! As shown in the Hobbit films. We got the ICE SPEARS and HUNDREDS OF WW.
-SMAUG will be as vulnerable as a sheep. While my dragons are in less peril. Also once SMAUG falls, we will have an ICE SMAUG for our army. Why don't you go and reconsider that.
NO. THE OP DIDN'T STATED THAT STORIES AND THE PAST WOULD TAKE PART. ELSE THINGS WOULD GET MUCH MORE COMPLICATED IN TERMS OF DRAGONS, TROOPS, POWERS, ETC. AND STILL I DOUBT LOTR CAN WIN.
But following your MOCKERY. (Again this won't take part of the battle since the OP didn't state it)
"According to the ironborn legend, Nagga was the first sea dragon, able to feed on krakens and leviathans and drown islands when angry. The Grey King, helped by the Drowned God, managed to slay her on the shores of the island Old Wyk and built there his hall out of her bones. Her jaws became his throne and her teeth made his crown. He warmed his hall with her living fire. However, when the Grey King died, the Storm God drowned out her fire and the sea took the throne. Only her bones that made the pillars and beams remain".
OHHH, expect TSUNAMIS in your COASTLINES.
"King Durran, also known as Durran Godsgrief, was a legendary First Men figure of the Age of Heroes and the first of the Storm Kings, who ruled the Stormlands until the Targaryen invasion of Westeros. According to legend, Durran won the love of Elenei, daughter of the sea god and the wind goddess, and took her as his wife.
In rage, the gods sent a storm to destroy his keep over Shipbreaker Bay, killing his family and guests. Declaring war against them, Durran built new castles, each larger and more formidable than the previous one, though all were the destroyed by the divine storms. Finally, the seventh castle, which Durran built with the aid of either the Children of the Forest or a very young Bran the Builder, withstood the rage of the gods and became known as Storm's End, while Durran earned the nickname of "Durran's Godsgrief" and ruled as the first Storm King"
Uhhh. I don't see why we should fear Morgoth or Sauron in that case! A man who defied the GODS!! What are mere MAGICIANS in comparisson of Gods?
We would also have Brandon the Builder! Expect a HUGE ICE WALL! WITH POWERFUL ENCHANTMENTS NO ORC COULD CROSS!
"During the war of the First Men and the children of the forest, greenseers are said to have turned trees into warriors[5] and sent beasts against humans.[6] As the tales go, they used the hammer of the waters to shatter the Arm of Dorne into the Broken Arm and the Stepstones, but the First Men continued to settle throughout Westeros.[3] The Neck was also flooded by their magic.[4] The greenseers and wood dancers of the children agreed upon the Pact with the First Men at the Isle of Faces."
We WOULD HAVE HUNDREDS OF GREENSEERS! Expect Warrior Trees, animals turn into weapons. AND FLOODS IN MAJOR CITIES.
AND I COULD GO ON AND ON WITH TALES OF ASOIF. I COULD BRING SO MANY CHARACTERS FROM THE PAST THAT LOTR DEFEAT IS CERTAIN!
So, lets not get the past involve into this please! We don't want havoc!
IN CONCLUSION: Before you go mocking and making fun of other people's comments go to the bathroom and take out your personal problems. Don't bring them here, and try to release your anger with people of the community!!! Furthermore, make a little research before taking a side!
First of all, no. His words mean a lot. The OP was refering to the Movies. So, that it is.
I doubt the Numbers in the Movies and in the Books differ from one another! That WOULD MAKE NO SENSE! ASOIF and GOT shows' numbers don't differ that much. So i am not gonna take it as if PETER JACKSON'S WORDS were incorrect. I believe he gave an accurate approximation!
I've made my researches and I've Reached to the Conclusion that Sauron's Armies shouldn't exceed 200K!! A lot of internet Webpages support this. I will give several links to support my claim:
As you may notice. These are forums and there is back up evidence. Also some claim that the 200k Troops is an exaggeration and that the numbers should actually be less than 100K.
To put it fair I SHALL ASSUME SAURON has 150K.
NOW! Throughout the Movies and Books it was Know that Sauron's Army OUTNUMBERED that of the ALLIES. So the Allies would probably have 100K soldiers or less.
That adds up to 250K soldiers.
Adding that to the HOBBIT FILMS the total number of troops should be arround 350-400K strong. Then just add the catapults and other weaponry.
HAVING SAID THAT!
ASOIF DEFINELTY OUTNUMBERS LOTR!!!
Only the ARMY OF THE DEAD can equal the number of LoTR armies!
I would say that ASOIF got 2X or more the number of troops LoTR has.
I can give you exact numbers if you wish.....Now. Any commander would know that he/she is facing CERTAIN DOOM against twice numbers....
Glorfindel MAD'd a Balrog, same Balrogs destroy mountainsides by falling on them. He would effortlessly fodderise any GoT character, Lannister included
Aragorn too would fodderise Lannister
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