Dooku was only able to use the force against Kenobi after turning is 2 v 1 vs the duo into a 1 v 1 by calling in the super battle droids to occupy Kenobi. Not that the situation you described is implausible, but his fight vs Anakin and Kenobi isn't the best evidence.
The only thing rofl worthy is your, and Dooku supporters arguments, kek.
No.
Except that isn't my logic, lmao.
My logic follows:
> Premise 1: Ventress and Savage are vastly inferior to Malgus and Malak via accolades and feats
> Premise 2: Dooku struggled against Ventress and Savage
> Conclusion: Given Dooku's struggle against a vastly inferior team of Ventress and Opress, he isn't putting up a decent fight against his Malak and Malgus.
Your logic here fails because Opress and Ventress aren't some new characters - they have well-documented feats, accolades, and showings and limitations across multiple media, all of which, are vastly inferior to Malak and Malgus' own in that regard. I'm not docking Dooku because his showing was against some random unknowns - I' knocking him because his showings were against well-established characters who 's overall potency as a duo is emphatically below the Sith here.
Except, there is nothing that explicitly contradicts SF!Malak> Kun, as opposed to Dooku being Yoda caliber, a notion which is crushed when even a vastly amped Dooku lost pretty convincingly to the Grandmaster and guys like Lucas, aka, the word of God, had Dooku more adjacent to Maul and Vader than Yoda and Palpatine.
I've seen nothing that suggests Yoda would stomp this team, tbh. Also, yes he was contended against Yoda in 'sabers, as he could with this team briefly in regards to fencing, but the minute Malak and Malgus start using the Force, either be it stasis, lightning, tk, or whatever, Dooku is going down like a ton of bricks in the sea. Kinda how Yoda would have done had he actually exerted his Force advantage offensively rather than defensively,
This had been argued multiple times over - Kun has nothing that directly contradicts Malak supremacy quote beside laem mental gymnastics and well-wishing.
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Dooku's TK and FL showings are the impressive feats to use from that video.
You're right the 2v1 is nothing to go on. Not that it's an impossible notion for Dooku to the engage the 2 for a short time, given he can engage ROTS Anakin and Obi-Wan, and given Maul can briefly engage Windu and Secura.
The amount of exposure Oppress and Ventress have remains irrelevant as an absence of evidence is not an evidence of absence and feats are represented differently by different writers/mediums.
Oppress and Ventress aren't tied to Malgus or Malak in any way and hence are pointless to bring up.
That is how the battle forums work - we pit characters against each other, and weigh their feats/hype besides each other and whoever we think is more impressive wins. We might as well not debate across era matches at all, going by your logic.
That's literally thd same thing I'm doing with the Sith duo and Savage and Ventress. If you, or anyone else think Ventress and Savage is more impressive, make a case for them, if not, stop whining about it.
landing a hit on an something that can't even be considered an appendage is above getting launched 20 feet in the air and flying into a wall?
Again, his size in conjunction with the weapon that he was using would put him in a disadvantageous position and that fact that they only managed to land one hit is kind of telling.
To say that he struggled against them is an overstatement. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7s3x8ox2ToE
At 1:05, he parries Ventress' strike and then kicks her to the side.
From 1:08-1:10, he sidesteps past two of Savage's strikes and parries another of Ventress'.
From 1:12-1:14, he parries more strikes and kicks her to the ground again.
From 1:16-1:20 he dodges even more of Savage's attacks and it's only after he gets knocked to the ground that he begins to have trouble.
Even then, he dodges more attacks, gets his saber back, blade locks Ventress and then blasts Savage every time he tries to mount an offensive.
If one thing should be apparent, it's that fighters of Ventress' caliber are far beneath Dooku. Hell, he even beat her and two of the best nightsisters while drugged and half asleep. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yyiDDQYPUIs
Remember, he doesn't need to overpower Malak with the Force directly, rather than exploit a momentary lapse in defence. After that, all that's needed is to throw him with enough velocity to knock him out (or kill him) against something solid. Seen as Malak isn't feat wealthy when handling blunt-force trauma like Kenobi is, this is a likely scenario.
Irrelevent. Kenobi already started attacking Dooku at that point. Rewatch the film.
1 - Niether is there anything in Legends explicitly contradicting the hardback cover hype of Darth Plagueis. Yet you aren't sharing the same attitude when dismissing that. Sounds like there are some agenda's to be filled here with a lining of double standards.
2 - Just to entertain Cory Herndon's blog post, the kind of powers Malak exhibited on the Star Forge aren't much better (if at all) then the demonstrative powers of spirit! Kun. And I'm not even including feats with Kyp durron in that equation.
3 - The quote is more an appraisal of the Star Forge than Malak himself. As long said battle isn't fought there, it looses it's relevance. Unless you want to tell me how Sadow is creating supernova's without his Corsair, or how Mother Talzin is stalemating Sidious anywhere outside of Dathormir, regardless of her sub-maul latency
4 - You can compile similar quote's to paint Dooku's powers even more handsomely and come to the conclusion that Tryanus is > Jedi! Dooku ~ TPM Mace > all other Jedi to walk the temple = Revan >> Star Forge!Malak >> Kun and Nadd. Despite being a shit show in consistency and logic, it would pretty much seal Malak's fate against the Count, and I don't see Malgus' hype amounting to much more than an annoyance against him either. This is the case if one's handling of source material equates to : "it was written, therefore it's true" or similar sentiments held highest in biblical times.
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