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LMFAO are you that desperate that you're trying to insult me right out of the gate? Wow, this'll be even easier than I thought.
So,
1.You implied he destroyed all six, when he actually only destroyed two directly.
2.You lied, he is stated to be incapable of achieving greater focus before destroying the first mooring, and having unleashed much more power than just Sith lightning.
Whilst it's an incredibly impressive showing of his Force reserves, due to it stating that he didn't lose much energy, you are way off ball comparing it to Vaylin's feat. They're not even in the same ballpark.
Are you being this dense on purpose? I certainly hope so, would hate to waste my time with somebody idiotic enough to actually make that argument.
The Sanitarium is a structure built within a mountain, it is an enormous complex. Thus the Sanitarium being completely overloaded and reduced to ash by Vaylin's mere thought, from outer orbit, would mean that the mountain itself would obviously be severely damaged, if not outright collapse.
Keeping in mind that to overload BRAIN and annihilate the Sanitarium, means that she must have more than doubled in power when she was unchained. Simply because she was almost killed, her powers almost literally torn apart, by BRAIN, until her willpower broke her out of it and unchained her.
Certainly:
Noting that the void of Nathema caused the likes of Surik intense mental and spiritual damage.
Oh my bad, I forgot, Marek didn't even do that, Starkiller did. So he hasn't even ashed stormtroopers yet.
Vaylin, the power which ashed the Zealot is the same power threatening to kill the Outlander on contact and destroy the entire Asylum.
Than*
But I'm afraid that's a massive assumption. Pouring enough power into a hyperdrive that it starts in a completely unstable state, doesn't compare to shielding yourself and another from a point blank explosion, in less time than Senya took to even realise that it was going to explode.
Thanks for biting.
Chained!Vaylin scaling above Arcann actually kind of kills that.
First, let's analyse the facts:
Valkorion was capable of insta-killing hundreds of Zakuul knights with a death field wave. (Without killing the Outlander's allies.)
Valkorion in a far less powerful incarnation killed nine Dark Councillors with a 'flash'.
Valkorion in a far less powerful incarnation overwhelmed the Force defenses of Revan in an exchange of raw power, and would've killed him if not for T3-M4's interruption. This being a much more powerful incarnation of the same character who defeated and killed Darth Malak on the Star Forge.(A feat strongly implied by Drew Karpyshyn to be due to Revan's Force power, despite being massively hindered by the nexus.)
Darth Malak who is amplified by the Star Forge, which is a far more powerful source of energy, by some orders of magnitude, than the Star Maps. The Star Maps, which provided the likes of Karness Muur with such power that he was more powerful than Vector!Vader and Darth Krayt.
Arcann tanked his Force Lightning Storm, without needing to achieve Oneness to even compete, unlike Marek:
Which is confirmed here:
Yet Chained!Vaylin is confirmed to be more powerful than Arcann by some degree:
Far before, as I mentioned, Vaylin's powers vastly grew due to the events of Nathema.
Is your ass sore enough yet or do you want me to go deeper?
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Whilst in the BRAIN her power is so strong that it's stated she would die and destroy the entire Asylum as a result of her power. Hence them hiding in Valkorion's tree house, the only place capable of withstanding it. Then she goes to her ship in outer orbit and overloads the entire system with her Force power, a system designed specifically for controlling Force power, and ends up levelling the place. To 'ash' as she put it.
Your memories are off.
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You literally stated that the graphic novel supported the idea that Galen "strained" to accomplish the feat when the feat didn't even occur within the graphic novel. You lied. There's no ifs ands or buts about it. I'm sorry you got caught ( I'm actually not ) but now you have to deal with the consequences. I.E. me ribbing you a bit for it.
1. I didn't imply anything. If your interpretation of my statements lead you to an incorrect assumption, that's your fault.
2. Where did I lie? I didn't say he hadn't focused his energies beforehand. I stated that he didn't strain to accomplish the feat. Something that's true given the following:
"He opened his eyes and looked up. The mooring was barely recognizable as the same structure. Electrical discharges danced across its conducting surfaces. Ultrastressed permacrete flowed like treacle. Larger fragments began to fall and he batted them away with the Force, feeling no more drained by his exertion than he would have from a light run." - The Force Unleashed.
Nowhere does it state how long it took him to gather that energy ( considering he was surrounded by Imperial forces it wasn't long ). It could have been more or less time then it took Vaylin to carry out the feat you claimed. Though, according to Skillz, your claim may be less then valid. As such I'm going to have to require some proof that the feat you claimed Vaylin accomplished actually occurred.
A structure being built WITHIN a mountain does not mean it is itself the size of a mountain. The extent to which the mountain would be damaged depends on the size of the structure within it and the type of attack Vaylin launched against it.
And? Does Unchained have a feat that would make what you're saying relevant?
"able to withstand the horrors of the void through a regime of daily rituals and intense meditation."
I highlighted the relevant part of the passage for you. Now, I'll ask again, other then meaningless hype and willpower feats, what do they have to suggest they're beyond the standard Force user these types of quotes are applied to?
You seem to be forgetting a lot of things. That's alright though. I'll ask again, provide evidence to back your statement that Starkiller had to "concentrate" to disintegrate those stormtroopers.
Going to need the context for that claim tbh. It seems off given the Outlander was actively moving against an Unchained Vaylin's bursts of power and was no worse for wear afterwards.
It's not an assumption. It's a fact. Directly creating the energy needed to power a hyperdrive is > then tanking the energy that powers it since you're only matching/neutralizing a fraction of the overall energy.
If you're attempting to say that Arcann having defended himself against Valkorion's lightning and Vaylin being more powerful then him means she's better at shielding then Galen, that line of reasoning is wrong for two reasons. The first being that Force user's are not necessarily better at using specific abilities simply because they're more powerful and the second being that Arcann shielding himself from a weakened Valkorion's lightning who was not even able to destroy the ships that were hit with it is not better then Galen shielding himself from lightning that pierced Sidious's force defenses.
This should be good.
Cool. Cool.
Going to need a quote stating it was the star maps that put Muur above them and not, you know, his own power.
Arcann's feat was addressed above. Galen was not in Oneness at the time he shielded himself against the Force lightning generated by himself and Palpatine.
Your attempts to lie/mislead have been noted yet again.
The novel specifically has Galen going into Oneness only AFTER he'd already dropped his Force defenses.
"No!" the apprentice cried, DROPPING HIS DEFENSES to strike one last time at the Imperials. Energy surged through him. He felt as though a star had blazed to life in his chest. Driven by concern for his friends rather than himself, he embraced the Force completely, utterly, and was rewarded with strength that made his efforts with the dark side look like those of a child. His nerves were on fire. Streamers of light radiated from his skin. His bones glowed like radiant lava.
He saw rather than felt the massive shock wave that consumed a large portion of what remained of the observation dome. A glowing bubble of fire tore the stormtroopers to shreds and engulfed Vader and the Emperor. Shrapnel filled the air like dust caught in the beam of the Death Star's powerful laser.
Tossed like a leaf, the Rogue Shadow fled in haste, ramp snapping shut on its precious cargo." - The Force Unleashed.
It's not to some degree. It's to an unknown/unmentioned degree.
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Last edited by UCanShootMyNova on Sep 13th, 2017 at 05:35 AM
I explicitly recall Vaylin destroying BRAIN, which caused some sort of power overload (Theron noted that "power readings were spiking," and as a result "the whole place was gonna blow.") She destroyed BRAIN under her own power (immensely impressive feat,) but she didn't destroy the entire sanitarium under her power alone.
Her power destroying the entire asylum could just be referring to it overloading BRAIN and causing its destruction. For what it's worth, we don't actually see the entire sanatorium blow up either.
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Last edited by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ on Sep 13th, 2017 at 02:32 PM
I'm still gonna go with Team 1 here, as I feel Vaylin has the feats and hype to be the MVP here regardless of whether or not she destroyed the entire Sanitarium. Arcann can also certainly contend with Marek.
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