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Darth Caedus vs Vaylin
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Rockydonovang
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Given Caedus is Vader +, and Vader far from his prime was above someone who could disintergrate half of a 300 m ship, I'm not seeing why Vaylin's raw power would be on par with Caedus's.

Not to mention that Caedus is a descendant from the force and has had longer to grow than Vaylin has.

There's also Caedus's greater mastery which allowed him to master a variety of unique abilities while Vaylin mastered TK and Lighting.

What's the argument for Vaylin here again?

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S_W_LeGenD
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1. Vaylin with difficulty (or) 50/50
2. Vaylin shits on Darth Caedus

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Originally posted by SunRazer
Yeah she's obviously really powerful, but it's not like her raw power shits on Jacen's or anything. And Caedus is obviously the better combatant. He takes this.

Darth Caedus is not necessarily the better combatant because Vaylin [chained] stalemated Arcann in a fight.

Conversely, Vaylin [unchained] literally floored both Arcann and Senya with one of her signature powers. Her raw power >> Darth Caedus.


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Vaylin is a woman, so she wins.

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Darth Caedus is not necessarily the better combatant because Vaylin [chained] stalemated Arcann in a fight.


You understand that most of the reason Arcann is seen as an impressive combatant is because of his power in the Force and that it wouldn't be impressive for Vaylin, who is more powerful, to stalemate him unless we had a baseline for Arcann's own skill level ( which we don't ). There's also the fact that she only managed to stalemate Senya in their fight who we know is vastly inferior to Caedus as a combatant.

Then we have Caedus who is largely inferior to Luke Skywalker as a Force user managing to hold his own against him in a duel.


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Vaylin isn't even close to being Senya's equal as a swordsman, lol.

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Patently false if you watch past pre-Chapter 1 of KOTET. smile


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Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
You understand that most of the reason Arcann is seen as an impressive combatant is because of his power in the Force and that it wouldn't be impressive for Vaylin, who is more powerful, to stalemate him unless we had a baseline for Arcann's own skill level ( which we don't ). There's also the fact that she only managed to stalemate Senya in their fight who we know is vastly inferior to Caedus as a combatant.

Why you assume that Senya is vastly inferior to Darth Caedus as a combatant?

Have a look at these revelations:

"Reflexes and instincts honed over thirty years of training allowed Senya to keep the killing blow at bay… but only barely. She ducked and darted to the left, leaping over one of the raging walls of fire crisscrossing the camp."

Source: A Mother's Hope

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"Senya had spent decades mastering the art of hand-to-hand combat. If Vaylin wanted to fight her, the outcome was inevitable."

Source: A Mother's Hope

Emphasis mine. Senya honed her combat skills non-stop! her reflexes and fighting instincts would be top-notch with over 30 years of investment in honing her combat skills. This was the requirement to hold Vaylin at bay in a lightsaber duel, barely I shall add.

And we clearly see Vaylin stalemating Arcann in a lightsaber duel. People have mistakenly assumed that Vaylin is weak in a lightsaber duel because she failed to beat Senya in her game*; it won't surprise me if Vaylin can out-duel even the likes of Revan and Darth Vader.

*Emphasis on the italic part.

Regarding Arcann's dueling abilities; we see him exchanging blows with the Outlander without any problem and if the Outlander is Hero of Tython, then we have a solid footing to gauge Arcann's dueling skills.

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Then we have Caedus who is largely inferior to Luke Skywalker as a Force user managing to hold his own against him in a duel.

Well, Darth Caedus is expected to be a serious threat to Vaylin in a lightsaber duel.


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Caedus,
That vaylin wank though, shes good but not that skilled.

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Why you assume that Senya is vastly inferior to Darth Caedus as a combatant?

Have a look at these revelations:
You cannot make this shit up.

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LOL thumb up

Those are some seriously standard, shitty old quotes that about 95% of the mythos has. Christ.


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Vaylin ragdolls him

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Vaylin is a woman, so she wins.

Pathetic

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Originally posted by Trocity
LOL thumb up

Those are some seriously standard, shitty old quotes that about 95% of the mythos has. Christ.

Provide evidence. smile


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Unless you think the Outlander is a god, Caedus takes this.

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Unchained>Revan>>Foundry!Revan>Pre-Mask-Revan>Redeemed Revan>SF!Malak >>>Prime!Muur>Vector!Vader

Yeah, I'm not seeing where exactly Caedus trumps that, even if you argue that he scales above ROTJ!Vader.


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Foundry Revan lost to mid game protags. No way is he above SF Malak level.


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Meh, that's a rather moot point. Revan defecates on his massively hindered KOTOR version who, evidence indicates, was more powerful than SF!Malak.


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Vaylin might ragdoll

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Originally posted by AncientPower
Unchained>Revan>>Foundry!Revan>Pre-Mask-Revan>Redeemed Revan>SF!Malak >>>Prime!Muur>Vector!Vader


Based on a ton of combat showings and not just you pulling an opinion out of your ass, I'm sure.

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