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Surtur
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I believe the neuroscience studies that show when a transgender person's brain makeup and chemistry more closely relate to the brain patterns of the opposite sex of their body, yes. Why? Cos science thumb up


So yes you believe a woman can be born in a mans body. Fair enough.


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If the science backs it, sport thumb up

This is the point where you dismiss the neurosciences, btw


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More like if the Correct Political Party Backs the Science... then he will back it.


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If the science backs it, sport thumb up

This is the point where you dismiss the neurosciences, btw


So you feel the science is 100% certain about transgenders, with no counter arguments? Just tell me you feel it has been decided 100%. Or 99%. Hell I'll give you 90%.


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some scientists people are so naughty


look at Big Tobbacco and Science Big Tobbacco buying Scientists


If you're reading this and you have a drink in one hand and a digital device in the other

uh... you might want to put that drink down

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...arettes/481116/

United States of America v. Philip Morris USA

In a landmark ruling nearly a decade ago, a federal judge ordered tobacco companies to stop lying.

After listening to 84 witnesses and perusing tens of thousands of exhibits, U.S. District Judge Gladys Kessler of the District of Columbia took a year to write a 1,652-page opinion detailing the companies’ elaborate strategy to deny the harmful effects of smoking.

“In short, [the companies] have marketed and sold their lethal product with zeal, with deception, with a single-minded focus on their financial success, and without regard for the human tragedy or social costs that success exacted,” Kessler wrote in United States of America v. Philip Morris USA.

Kessler noted that the Justice Department, in a racketeering lawsuit, had presented “overwhelming evidence” of a conspiracy to defraud the public. She ordered the companies to take a number of actions, including ceasing to claim there was such a thing as a low-tar cigarette that reduced the risk of disease. The evidence showed this simply was not true.

Yet in about a dozen pending lawsuits, Philip Morris continues to do just that. As of 2010, it still routinely argued that the nation’s top-selling cigarette, once known as Marlboro Lights and now called Marlboro Gold, reduces the risk of cancer.

To find scientists willing to make this claim, Philip Morris turned to consultants for the chemical industry. The experts Philip Morris hired for firms whose scientists regularly contend in medical journals, courtrooms, and regulatory arenas that their clients’ chemical products pose little or no health risks to the public. The firms have been instrumental in delaying new regulations by criticizing the work of other scientists, and emphasizing the doubt inherent in health science. The resultant uncertainty has helped delay attempts by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to crack down on ubiquitous chemicals with known dangers, such as formaldehyde, arsenic, and hexavalent chromium.

http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/welcom...cardio-tobacco/

https://www.healio.com/hematology-o...tested-approved

Hey, I'm just saying, like uh no offense to anyone, no offense intended.

Some scientists talk total fiction.

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^^ yeah, but....science, and shit.


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So you feel the science is 100% certain about transgenders, with no counter arguments? Just tell me you feel it has been decided 100%. Or 99%. Hell I'll give you 90%.


If you have scientific counter-arguments, sure, I'm all eyes and ears and open to change. So post them smile


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If you have scientific counter-arguments, sure, I'm all eyes and ears and open to change. So post them smile


So you won't answer my question? Okay.


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So you won't answer my question? Okay.


As He Ever answered you ?


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So you won't answer my question? Okay.


I literally just did, you suggested that there's scientific counter arguments; I asked you to post them as I'm open to change and you dodged posting them.

So it seems your counter argument is that you're disgusted by trans people and this is just how you feel. But we already knew that.


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I literally just did, you suggested that there's scientific counter arguments; I asked you to post them as I'm open to change and you dodged posting them.

So it seems your counter argument is that you're disgusted by trans people and this is just how you feel. But we already knew that.


I asked if you felt it was 100%, etc. I see no answer.


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Well that answers that question....and the answer is "no".


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I asked if you felt it was 100%, etc. I see no answer.



Until there's a proper scientific counter argument to the neuroscience (as you suggested), yes. Why would I think otherwise.

So, post them now and change my mind? Weird that you're dodging this.


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Until there's a proper scientific counter argument to the neuroscience (as you suggested), yes. Why would I think otherwise.

So, post them now and change my mind? Weird that you're dodging this.


You say post things, but all I asked was how much you believe in it. Why does that trigger you so much? Stand up for your beliefs without whining.


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Until there's a proper scientific counter argument to the neuroscience (as you suggested), yes. Why would I think otherwise.

So, post them now and change my mind? Weird that you're dodging this.



Unless that Neurosurgeon is some one like Ben Carson. Then it don't count.

Because Politics.


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You say post things, but all I asked was how much you believe in it. Why does that trigger you so much? Stand up for your beliefs without whining.


^

Another dodge. Very telling


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Another dodge. Very telling


Are you trolling again? Serious question.


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Just like your breath, your games grow stale, Surt. You clearly asked and questioned the science. I asked you to show the counter argument and that I was open to change, you then became dodge and dance boy.

Why do you discredit the neuroscience testing behind it?


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Just like your breath, your games grow stale, Surt. You clearly asked and questioned the science. I asked you to show the counter argument and that I was open to change, you then became dodge and dance boy.

Why do you discredit the neuroscience testing behind it?


You have more patience than me. I already want to drop a cinderblock on my own head talking with this dude in another thread.


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https://www.theguardian.com/higher-...nals-fake-paper


https://www.theguardian.com/science...ta-claims-study


https://www.newyorker.com/tech/elem...ruining-science


Medicine, Health Care and Philosophy
June 2017, Volume 20, Issue 2, pp 163–170
The false academy: predatory publishing in science and bioethics
https://link.springer.com/article/1...1019-016-9740-3


Silas Boye Nissen, Tali Magidson, Kevin Gross, Carl T Bergstrom
Research: Publication bias and the canonization of false facts
https://elifesciences.org/articles/21451


Why was this just skipped over

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