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Have you raised Malak based on the Kun quote?
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XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
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What rituals?


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The ones he carried out to make DK a Darkside nexus and cause eternal storms to power the planet. IIRC.


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In all honesty, I did raise SF Malak above Kun and as a result, now assume the rituals Vitiate carried out on Dromund Kaas raised his power significantly to account for the logical gap that should exist between himself and the liked of Revan and Malak ( even empowered by the Starforge ).


I find myself agreeing with this.

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Originally posted by NewGuy01
Reverse scaling isn't a thing, but apparently ignoring sources you don't like is.

I dismiss quotes which there are good reasons to dismiss. Hence why you won't see me using sources placing AOTC Kenobi over Dooku, trying to use the codex entry to say Valk is a sith, or trying to say TPM Maul is sub-Fisto.
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Your set of values is impeccable, Kbro; an uneducated man might think you're just picking and choosing what's convenient for your positions, but we know you'd never do that.

My policy here is no different from most members on this forum. And I apply my policy on stances I'd prefer and which I wouldn't prefer. Quotes are evidence, but depending on the other evidence present, or the source of this evidence, they aren't irrefutable.


Deciding which evidence we give more weight to is part of debating.




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For example, say I'm on the fence about how impressive defeating a relative unknown like Warb Null is. It's completely logical to find it less impressive because it was done by someone whose defined upper limit is "far inferior to Malak," than if there was no such limitation.

Kun being restricted to sub-malak only is relevant when we consider the restrictions Malak himself receives, other wise, a completely unrelated character doesn't get any benefit from a comparison to Malak.

Kun has a variety of feats/hype which marks him as impressive regardless of how he is placed in comparison with Malak, hence if Malak is raised above him, then Mlak, and anyone who scales off Malak is raised as Kun's own hype/feats remains intact.

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This thread was 10/10.


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That quote is idiotic anyway. How is cybernetic enhancement of magical Force powers too simple an explanation?

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Hm?


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That quote is idiotic anyway. How is cybernetic enhancement of magical Force powers too simple an explanation?

Because it's not referring to his cybernetics, but hinting at the SF?

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Because it's not referring to his cybernetics, but hinting at the SF?


That's not how the sentence is structured.

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The complaints about the Plagueis blurb are pretty valid here as well.

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Originally posted by slayne
Yeah, I meant Kun on the Star Forge

@deathslash:
thanks, didn't see it before. Sure, I'll raise Malak, but that doesn't raise him by much since I personally never believed that Exar Kun was as powerful as some here think him to be.


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It's like scaling is almost useless without force feats to back them up with


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The quote is straight up paradoxical when a much more valid quote has a pre-Dark Holocron Kun as Vitiate's super at the time.

But he has been raised in my view within the contexts of how much more powerful SF!Malak must be compared to the Dark Jedi Exiles, which is insane scaling for Redeemed!Revan.


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But he has been raised in my view within the contexts of how much more powerful SF!Malak must be compared to the Dark Jedi Exiles, which is insane scaling for Redeemed!Revan.


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This is great...


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This is great...

The legend has returned.

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