This is the argument? I assume we're using only canon (with physicals roughly equalized), given these are Rebels characters. The only argument here I see is somewhat arbitrary scaling. But what do these individual characters have in terms of canon feats that makes this line of scaling impressive enough to compete with or defeat Arcann and Uliq?
And what other argument do you suppose I should make? The point of the arbitrary scaling is that it marks the opponents Ahsoka and Ben have faced as more impressive than the ones Arcann and Ulic have faced. Peforming well agains tbetter opponents makes you more impressive. It's as solid as a case you can make for a cross-era dueling comparison. It's a much better than choosing team 1 because they scale of folks who managed to go through armies of featless fodder.
Matching/contending with Vade ris more impressive than contening with matching Vaylin. Being better than Maul is better than being better than Malgus. The scaling I cited makes the opponents team 2 has facedmore impressive than the ones team 1 has faced. Being above the best swordsmen in history is more impressive than being among the best in your era.
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Ulic faced Exar Kun in an absolute stalemate which would've lasted hours. That's hours of absolutely immaculate swordsmanship, zero mistakes or slips. That's an insane feat, against one of the greatest swordsman in all of history, revered for all-time. This is all before Ulic's powers grow massively, and his skills get even sharper.
Please tell me how anybody short of Vader, is holding a candle to that.
Arcann? He scales off of Revan, who whilst massively pre-prime and hindered by the Star Forge, was capable of defeating SF! Malak through his Force powers. A SF! Malak who must scale so far above the likes of Karness Muur that he's right up with prime Vader and Krayt. Given that, Arcann kicks their shit in.
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Either member of team one beats either member of team two, though I have Vader above either member of team one, so this fight won't be a stomp but the winning team is pretty obvious to me.
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Ben stalemated Vader and Ahsoka contended with him on a nexus .
If Vader's superior to either, then team 1 has very little room for error here. At the very best Team 1 could be inferior to Ben and superior to Ahsoka, though there's a far larger range of possible placements for the team that place them below either as duelists.
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Ahsoka stalemated Maul on a ds nexus, someone who's been stated to have grown as a swordsman when he was already of one of the best duelists of all time, and who pre-prime has beat one of the best duelists of all time while fending off one of the best jedi of the era.
Ben stalemated Vader and is superior to his ROTS self who has, as off TCW, outperformed Maul who, as mentioned above, as of TPM was in a tier above the best swordsmen in history and beat another one of the best swordsmen in historu while dealing with his apprentince who happened to be one of the best jedi in his day.
Simply stalemating one of the best swordsmen of all time is not enough to place you above someone who can beat superior versions of the best duelists of all time.
Arcann does not scale off of Revan .
And you haven't provided anything for the two you've just mentioned in terms of dueling feats.
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Yeah, I'm a lot more skeptical of the Malak scaling, and the notion that Arcann actually gets scaling off of Revan.
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Yeah, I'm not sure what to make of the Vader Ben fight firstly, and secondly I don't give two shits about the nexus. If it's not actually noted to be a factor, I doubt it has serious narrative weight in shifting a fight, and it was a fight that I disagree on being as close as you seem to think it was. She contended yes. She was not Vader's equal though. Much like Dooku, these characters can be put between Ahsoka and Vader.
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Then how are you coming to a conclusion here regarding this battle? All the evidence we have so far indicates the two to be equals, with it being specifically noted that Ben only ceded the fight to let the heroes escape.
It doesn't need to be explicitly stated to be a factor. It's indicated to let darksiders do sh!t they usally can't. There's no reason for us to ignore circumstances that exist due to a second guessing of undeclared authorial intent. Not to mention that all the other fights, Ahsoka vs Maul, Inqusitors vs Jedi, had the darksiders performing better than they should regarding all the other evidence we have present.
I don't think she was Vader's equal at all. And there's no need to nitpick here, we both agree the gap between the two is a small one. The point still stands. Team 1 has a small amount of leeway here if they're inferior to someone who both members of team 2 are close to.
Sure, they can be. But why should we? What have either done as duelists that place them above Ahsoka or near Vader?
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