1. He dodged some, he blocked some. He rolled under some. He deflected some. Few times he stepped into the swing and blocked the arm (so he can deliver a counter), not the sword.
That line of logic is irrelevant, tho. It shows that he can (and would) dodge/block/deflect/defend when needed. Far faster attacks from multiple angles. Level of difficulty becomes the point. Slow long swords you can see coming <<< fast short swords from multiple angles. One is simply far more difficult to defend against than the other.
2. Fodder is irrelevant. "Feats"/showings > role. They at the very least shown to be fast opponents, they are portrayed to be skilled. That is what matters. We don't suddenly think Tyrion is gonna be taking out Ultron bots just because they are fodder.
Wolverine fighting off multiple fast and skilled opponents from multiple angles armed with swords.
You are setting an impossibly high standard for proof here. I mean if you want us to post him fighting armored NAMED opponents that use longswords that fight like the GoT characters, it's just not gonna happen.
Post the knights fighting a super strong and highly agile mutant with claws, healing powers and several decades of combat experience(he was in every American War up to WW2).
Sooo, no timestamps of him getting hit "several" times (other than the ones I posted?) like you claimed? Hm.
It establishes that Wolverine is not just a brawler, that he can defend when needed and has defensive moves that he can use against less skilled opponents.
It also shows that he has a level of super strength along with his speed, skills and regen.
He can dodge backwards away from a swing or roll under (he was shown capable of this in the video above) and he can always (like he did a few times in the video I linked) step into the swing and catch the farrrr slower GoT sword arm to deliver a counter (stab under the neck, possibly). He can also do place the unfortunate enemy between him and his other opponents, using him as a human shield (shown capable and willing to do so in the previous video I posted in one of my above replies) after a throat stab.
Edit. Wolverine also was shown to have a penchant for ducking under a swing and then attacking his opponent's legs/heel to throw them into the ground (He did so against at least 3 opponents in the early part of the movie). I can also see this happening against the GoT opponents.
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It looks like the chest is fully plate but the arms and legs don't seem to be. I don't even see chainmail there. Which he kinda did to a few of his opponents in the Wolverine.
What's to stop Wolverine from stabbing them in the arms or legs?
So in short, the only proof you have are vids of Wolverine dodging some hits, blocking some hits, then tanking the others. Right?
Let me repeat something to you that I've been saying from the start: He tries to block hits here, he'll get his claws or arms cut off.
If you want to claim that Wolverine can completely duck and dodge all hits thrown his way then that's the kind of feat that you need to provide. Not some vid where he dodges some and then blocks and tanks the rest. Does this seem like an impossible request? Of course it is. You know why? Because Wolverine just does not fight like that. He has never needed to do so due to his healing powers which means he would have never needed to develop the necessary speed and skill do so.
What you are saying is that Wolverine will be able, without any prior training or feat or experience, to automatically develop a new fighting style with a new set of skills. Basically what you're asking is for Wolverine to fight like a completely different person.
Have you ever tried sparring with swords? Because I have. And for some reason you keep neglecting the reach the longswords will give the knights. A slow-ish longsword with a long reach is far harder to deal with than a fast short sword. A knife is ridiculously fast. Do you think a knife fighter has the advantage against someone with a longsword just because it's faster?
Wolverine will need to close the distance against 3 knights with longer weapons, manage to hit weak spots in their armor strong enough to incapacitate them, and do all that without taking a serious hit. Wolverine maybe faster than them individually but he just isn't that fast nor is he that skilled.
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Have any of the GoT guys actually ever lopped a limb or head off? I'm talking mid combat, not like Ned beheading someone he sentenced to death, or Jamie getting held down and getting his hand chopped off.
1. He dodges attacks that are shown to be far faster than GoT swords attacks. That's all I need. He doesn't need to block slow ass sword strikes as he can simply either dodge the attack, duck under them to attack the legs or catch the arm on the downswing (w/c he's done on screen). All of which he has already been shown to do vs sword users. What else do I need?
He doesn't need to be shown to do it all the time. He just needs to be able to do it. You don't have to accept it, but the evidence is there.
2. The video I showed had him tanking zero sword hits from anyone other than the lead ninja. He defended against every sword attack thrown his way from the rest. It shows that he can fight defensively when needed.
He blocked the attacks because he can. Doesn't mean he can't dodge them if he can't block. Especially when he's shown to be able to do so on other occasions. What is so hard to understand here?
Again, he's done all this successfully against faster attacks.
3. What new fighting style? Being able to dodge/duck against sword attacks? He's done that. Attack vulnerable legs/arms? Done that, too. Topple his opponents? Done that as well.
So what new fighting style are you talking about here?
4. I've trained in Arnis (you know it more as Kali around the US) for 2 years, so I've held and sparred with and against weapons, yes. What's your point?
Reach is a huge advantage, sure. But it's not as if it can't be circumvented. And it's not as if we haven't seen Wolverine circumvent it (without resorting to blocking). It's on screen, thus he can do it. He's done it from guns to swords to long daggers. Again, on screen, thus he can do it.
And why are you thinking he can't parry/block sword strikes at all? Leveraged, powerful slashes would no doubt cut his claws, sure. But he can dodge, duck or roll away from those. But short/weaker thrusts or slashes can be deflected by his claws (it'll maybe chip the claws, sure but he has 3 per hand and they grow back).
And daggers vs longsword isn't as clear cut as you think:
Those dual daggers would work like Wolverine's dual bone claws.
And he doesn't need to incapacitate them in one hit. He can wound them and simply let them bleed out. I mean a simple thigh or bicep stab is enough to end the fight for any of them (King's Guard armor have pretty open leg/bicep protection) as they would practically be ineffective at that point. While they would need a full on direct center mass hit or decap to stop Wolverine. Any other blow would be meaningless as he'd just need to step back to heal. I mean you've fought with a sword before, how hard is it to land a direct clean full leverage center mass hit when your opponent is so much faster than you?
This comes down to this: Will someone who is faster, possibly stronger and clearly more skillful opponent with shorter weapons who only needs to do (minor damage to eventually win) beat 3 slower, less skilled opponents who would need to score a direct clean hit to win?
And it's not as if the armor makes them immune to attack, as per the pic I posted, it doesn't look like their arms and legs are armored. As per the vids I showed, Wolverine attacking the legs is actually kinda common throughout the movie.
5. I really, really disagree here. Altho, our perception of his skill level is subjective. Wolverine has shown too many instances of how skilled and agile he is and I've already posted video evidence. Up to you if you ignore them.
Gregor took most of a horses head off. But by and large the show didnt how many actual in the moment dismemberment that i can think of. Save Jaime getting his hand taken off, which again wasnt in combat.
The Hound cut someone in half at the Battle of Black Water. But it was a full on power downward slash while his opponent just stood there and looked at him, hands down. Which took almost 2 seconds to do.
As much as i like Wolverine supporting him here would be following fanatism
So, here are my reasons as to why Wolverine Loses this match:
*Wolverine's advantages:
-Regeneration
-Speed
*Wolverine's Disadvantages:
-He is OUTNUMBERED
-His skeleton is fragile
-His claws are not reliable
-His enemies are well armored
-His enemies have decent combat skills.
I am a fan of Wolverine, but he loses this one! One swing from Ser Gregor's sword and those claws along with his head will split OPEN!
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