Probably so. But if they could do generic force fields then they could just turn it off to assimilate.
But, you are be right. Those weren't generic forcefields, but energy specifically tuned for a certain frequency of energy. My argument is that they can POTENTIALLY generate generic forcefields eventually to defend against blunt attacks.
In theory, or using the suspension of disbelief, they should be able to. It would be incredibly stupid to take out thousands one at a time with bullets and none of them can adapt to basic bullets.
We argue based on feats, not what you believe makes sense.
If you want to argue that they will enact generic force fields to stop blunt force, then you must provide evidence of them doing so.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
"Could be's" don't cut it. If they had those, they would block everything Data and Worf did. Hell, not even tactical borgs have those. The only one we have seen with personal physically effective forcefields was from One in [urlhttp://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Drone_(episode)]Star Trek Voyager Episode 195: Drone[/url]
I'm sorry, but the Borg are well known for not changing their methodology until they are absolutely forced to. That is their MO. That is one of their specific weaknesses. They adapt, but they don't learn.
H1 is a very emotional poster, he firmly believes in feels before reals.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Are there thousands of them or millions?
Either way I don't see someone beating all of them, one at a time, with bullets, without them eventually adapting some type of force field. They would be forced to, right?
Otherwise, it would be pretty stupid and go against the suspension of disbelief.
They don't have to adapt right away. Maybe after 20 go down then they would.
But you just gave evidence that it is possible for them to create personal force fields.
Possibility is not how we debate it's based on what we can prove. How old are you H1 ? You've been here for years and you're as clueless as someone in their first two weeks on the site.
The other poster already gave proof of them generating personal generic force fields from a Voyager episode. Even without that evidence, they can be reasoned to be able to do so.
Arguing from feats also includes drawing REASONABLE inferences.
Except we see that ordinary borg from the 24th century (The ones with the longest screentime) simply do not have kinetic forcefields and are known to be vulnerable to kinetic forces. My proof was for a unique character called One, a Borg created with 29th century technology.
Don't mistake my evidence. Also, you can't infer abilities not seen or hinted at at all. Like I said, if Data can manhandle borg, and wof can dice them up with his blades, and the Borg are not adapting within seconds, then you are wrong, and you should admit to such.
It is how we debate. Adapting abilities gives us the ability to argue shit that wasn't shown. It's in the very nature of that particular power.
If DD was stated to adapt to shit on the fly and shown to adapt to attacks thrown his way then we can reasonably assume that he can adapt to attacks not shown. Why? Because this is his superpower.
We argue based off the limits shown and the tendencies of the characters. He's still to this day not adapted to blunt force trauma. And there are many attacks that have killed him. You even admitted you've debated topics in which you haven't seen the material in over a decade based off memory alone. You're the worst.
A generic forcefield is within the limits of the Borg's technology.
Only a few Borg were killed by blunt force. There are millions of them at the very least.
They don't have to adapt within seconds. They can possibly adapt after an hour or any reasonable time.
The OP stated the Borg. All members should be included, unless specified.
But I digress. If it's not reasonable (under forum rules) to assume the Borg would eventually generate kinetic force fields before going extinct, then I'll concede the argument here. But ill still maintain my opinion on that they can.
You DO realize what you are inferring is in no way true, right? I mean the Borg have had literally YEARS since the battle of Wolf 359, and even longer since Q Who, to adapt to physical blows, yet come First Contact, or even Voyager, and they are STILL vulnerable to physical force. So no. After years of time to adapt, they have yet to do so. Your inference is unreasonable and not demonstrated.
And I just used the entire collective's time to adapt, and you still do not have a point.
You can maintain an opinion, even if it is demonstrably wrong, if you want to, but unfortunately, without some sort of evidence to base such an opinion on, it will not carry any weight in a debate.
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