How do you re-kill the dead? Is Monarch powerful enough to destroy rune magic? If he can wipe the source of RK Thor's power out, then I agree, Monarch stomps... but. I mean when did Monarch show power over the metaphysical? Wouldn't it be like killing Casper the friendly ghost by driving through him with a car? Like I said, he treated Mangog like he wasn't even there.
*The Runes put Thor around Odin's level -- slightly greater at best. ALL context considered, nothing on panel warrants him being ranked any higher.
*Thor wasn't dead -- Odin's projection saved him from Hela's realm.
*Mangog "didn't register", because he was explicitly weakened -- Loki had been siphoning his power away.
...This isn't the only thread you've tried to unjustly hyper-wank RKT in, so I must ask: did you even read the issues for yourself? Seems like you've only seen cropped panels from the story here and there, and are basing this inflated opinion of yours solely on those. Certainly doesn't appear that you have *personally* read any of the material, otherwise you would already be aware of the facts/context I mentioned above... Either that, or you're just ignoring it entirely for whatever reason.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 01:51 PM
If Thor wasn't dead, why would he be going to Hela's realm? All of the rest is really irrelevant until you prove that Thor did not die. The means by which he attained the power of the runes is of no consequence here. Instead of going to Hel, he was bound by the runes which became his new nature. He was dust in the wind. He was never resurrected which is why the power that he displayed was not his own, but the power of the runes.
Thor's power came from the runes and yes his very nature changed. He was no longer bound to the physical laws of the universe. This will not change. Monarch is fighting the power of the runes, not Thor.
There really isn't anything inflated about it. I'm skipping ahead to where Thor dies, and is reanimated. Odin never crossed the boundaries that Thor did. You're arguing power levels like you've narrowed it down to a fine science without warrant. You really have no idea how powerful the runes were. Odin had access to a portion of the runes power, Thor was reanimated by them.
I have the entire arc on dvd which will be a drag to dig up. I have it on hd as well, but I lost my data link cable on a trip. It's the time allowance to research this stuff that gets me.
A character's power level, with an amp, is based off feats, not any speculation of how powerful they should be. Without feats, even the runes power would be unknown.
Thor had to do spells just to destroy some enemies. Surfer has destroyed a planet becoming furious. Hulk disintegrated thousands of powerful beings and a planet without touching it.
If that power fails to touch or harm what happens then? Umar went unscathed by the force of the destruction in the Dark Dimension. Should we just discount how easily he dealt with an amplified Loki? Is Loki being considered weak?
He plucked Loki's head off like a grape. Loki gave me the impression that he was in Odin's weight class. Again, he treated him like a child would treat a GI Joe action figure, a very strong child.
No that's not what I'm saying. Thor died when he decided to go further than Odin did in order to gain more power than the runes bestowed upon Odin. The book said that he died. He wasn't resurrected, or brought back to life but he was instead re-animated by the runes, which was bound to him. Monarch would not be fighting a natural Thor, he would be fighting the runes. If Monarch had power over the metaphysical, I would say that he'd have a chance of actually scoring a hit that could do some damage.
Thor shows that he has vast supernatural power when he plucks Loki's head off of his shoulders, and continues to speak to him. Loki under normal circumstances would have died from having his head pulled off. I can't see how RK Thor could be placed on par with Odin in terms of power?
Again: Odin's projection brought Thor BACK from Hela's realm -- BACK to the land of the living. IOW, he was NOT dead.
...What isn't computing here?
So in other words: "f*ck on panel context/facts"..?
Well, you're touting RKT as this omnipotent/unbeatable hyper-God, in lieu of the on panel context/facts that have been mentioned to the contrary. So yes, you're inflating the living shit out of him... And unjustly so.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Sep 24th, 2017 at 02:01 AM
What was Thor attempting to do when he sought to acquire the power of the runes?
Did he cross more boundaries than Odin did in order to receive the power of the runes?
Odin gave an eye, Thor gave up his life, which one was the greater sacrifice?
Loki was in or very near Odin's weight class. For the benefit of doubt, let's place him firmly in Odin's weight class shall we? If Thor were on Odin's level, how could he pull off an equals head like it was a grape, I mean there was no effort whatsoever. You don't have to be God Doom to be outside of Monarch's influence.
Is there one scene that shows that RK Thor was ever in jeopardy of being killed in a natural way?
Galan did convince me that the words "well above" are a bit too much, because the evidence isn't sold enough to give anything concrete enough to prove it. But RKT = Odin, with a generous person making him ever so slightly above Odin, doesn't make sense to me either.
So If Odin were a 9/10, Thor would be a 10/10 I guess.
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