By the way, are we going to discuss the historical changes in the system of Islam, or just make this another **** The Mussies thread? Because there are actually plenty of those already.
It was a different time, true. I call that the "Margaret Sanger syndrome".
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That being said, whilst the origins of Islam are undeniable, that doesn't refute the fact that Islam was, in its golden age, progressive and accepting. Those days are long gone, though.
By the way, where in the north are you from? I lived in Leeds up until just recently
It's a rebel media video, but the depressing part is the video within the video.
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Iran pre-revolution is probably the most fascinating (and depressing) one. Obviously things weren't perfect with the Shah, in fact they were pretty bad, it was still a dictatorship and political dissidence was ruthlessly expunged. But you know, at least women could like, walk about places, if they wanted to, and choose their own clothes and stuff.
(((Just a quick point, the second sequence of that video has clearly taken the very worst stuff they could, whilst the first sequence used the best footage they could. There is still a vast difference between the time periods, but the video is using exaggeration and pathos to sell their message here. But what else can you expect from Rebel Media?)))
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I will grant you that it is the worst and best, but it still gives you an idea of what has been stripped away.
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Indeed it looks like a place one might actually like to go.
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Like super duper bad. No booze. No bacon. What a horrible way to live. A tragedy.
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Do you guys think if time travel was a thing and Muhammad traveled to the current era and he tried a bacon cheeseburger would he just be all "f*ck Islam, f*ck that shit" ? I think maybe he would. But then he'd regret it because with the acceptance of bacon comes accepting you don't bang child brides.
Poor guy
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In the modern era big M would either be a Hollywood star or he'd work in the IT department for the DNC lol.
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Critics of al-Ghazali argue that he challenged philosophers on the grounds that the philosophers could not lay down rational explanations for metaphysical arguments.
However, interesting discoveries in the second half of the twentieth century by historians of science challenged many of the assertions of this classical narrative. An example of such discoveries is the strong connections between Ibn al-Shatir, a famous Damascene astronomer of the fourteenth century, and the Renaissance astronomer Copernicus (Roberts, 1957).
If Ghazali had killed science in Islam in the twelfth century, then al-Shatir's work from the fourteenth century could not have been so influential on Copernicus's work. Saliba challenges almost all of the major tenets of the classical narrative on the basis of (1) a critical examination of historical evidence, some of which is quite recent, and (2) the results of his own long-term research in Islamic astronomy.
First, the European paradigm of conflict between religion and science does not really apply to the Islamic world. The religion of Islam encourages rational and scientific inquiry. Therefore, Muslims see no insurmountable contradictions between their faith and natural laws. Hence, studying religion and studying natural sciences does not create a conflict for Muslims.
Secondly, many of the scientists in the Islamic world were also religious authorities at the same time. A few examples among such scholars are Ibn al-Nafis, Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi ,and Ibn al-Shatir who lived in the thirteenth and fourteenth centuries and made important contributions to such diverse scientific disciplines as mathematics, astronomy, medicine, physics and philosophy. In fact, these scholars were regarded primarily as religious figures by the general public with side interests in sciences. Early Muslim scholars did not hesitate to acquire scientific knowledge wherever they could find it, whether it be in Indian civilization, in Greek civilization, or in Persian civilization. Not only did they acquire these sciences through translation, but they also critically examined them in a comprehensive way. Making corrections and improvements and even introducing new disciplines, they showed a high degree of ownership and maturity. This led to a remarkable period of creativity and rapid advancements in many scientific disciplines in the Islamic world beginning as early as the eighth century (Saliba, 2007).
Saliba also provides examples from other disciplines, such as medicine, that show that a high level of scientific production took place in more than one discipline in the Islamic world in the post-Ghazali period.
It isn’t a great mystery, lack of political, economic and civil stability causes any nation to crumble, these are the pillars for which any nation needs in order for development and advancement to initiate. Most of these nations were colonialised, their resources shipped back to the metropoles of their day, their infrastructure underdeveloped and masses of their societies left impoverished and without any great foundations from which to develop their nations
The great Western superpowers fulfill these three given criteria, and are successful because of it. Centuries of independence and development, versus budding nations with less than 75 years of independence, is an unfair comparison and a biased one at that.
According to Encyclopaedia Britannica, definition of Paedophile is:
"Pedophile: also spelled PAEDOPHILIA, psychosexual disorder in which an adult's arousal and sexual gratification occur primarily through sexual contact with prepubescent children. The typical paedophile is unable to find satisfaction in an adult sexual relationship and may have low self-esteem, seeing sexual activity with a child as less threatening than that with an adult."
Indeed, his first wife Khadiga was twice widowed before and was older than him by 15 years. All his wives except Aisha were widows. Therefore, it is evident that Prophet Muhammad's marriage with Aisha was an exception and Prophet did indeed find adult relationship. Prophet also did not have low self-esteem, as it is evident from his his biography.
Harold I. Kaplan et al. (Synopsis of Psychiatry, 5th ed. [Williams and Wilkens, 1988], p. 360) writes:
"In addition to their paedophilia, a significant number of paedophiles are concomitantly or have previously been involved in exhibitionism, voyeurism, or rape". (Voyeurism is the recurrent preoccupation with fantasised or acts that involve seeking out or observing people who are naked, or are engaged in grooming or in sexual activity).
It is commonly accepted by Muslims and non-muslims (un-biased) that Prophet in no sense indulged in "exhibitionism, voyeurism, or rape" or even came close to it. There is not a single reference to indicate that prophet was involved in any such act. In addition, Prophet waited for Aisha to mature and reach Puberty before the marriage was consummated, this obviously is contrary to the characteristics of a paedophile.
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Betrothal at very young ages was fairly common amongst the gentry in europe as well, consummation was often deferred.
The American colonies in the 17th century have fairly widespread cases of very young marriage down to the age of seven and twelve a century ago was often the age of consent in Western societies, it still is in Japan.
You do have to remember that the odd Western concept of childhood really is a Victorian invention and marriage for most of it's history is a binding economic pact between two families it had little to do with the lovey dovey institution we have today. In Arabic societies it was and still is often the way of settling disputes and making alliances.
For example;
Prince Edward of Wales married the French king’s daughter, Isabella, who was only seven years old and Romanos II married Bertha , the daughter of the King of Italy, when she was only four years old. Richard of Shrewsbury, King Edward IV’s son, married the five year old Anne Mowbray of Norfolk
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