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Only created this thread to discuss the history of the Islamic Golden Age (which preserved the works of Greek Philosophers thus allowing the European Rennaisance and made various scientific strides which are vital today)

As far as Islam as a religion goes, I'm ambivalent about it. In terms of people having freedom of religion, I think Islam must be tolerated as to not create hypocrisy, and as a religion is nothing more than the subjective interpretation of its follower. Personally, I think Abraham was a scummy piece of shit who nearly killed his son, the ultimate evil act, for an invisible being, thus creating the concept that religion overrides rationality, and as such, I think all 3 abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) are harmful ignorant bullshit. Which makes comments about Muhammad's pedophilia (no worse than Abraham's near child sacrifice) or islam being a "fake" religion hilarious to me.

Besides Trump himself called Islam one of the great faiths while in Saudi Arabia. We should support the President's opinion on this matter


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Near sacrifice. Because God told him to. Allah didn't tell Mohammad to marry 13 year olds did he?


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Near sacrifice. Because God told him to. Allah didn't tell Mohammad to marry 13 year olds.


Because God told him to? WTF does that even mean?


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Oh boy, walking away.


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Yeah, no. Muhammad was a paedophile:

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"Narrated Aisha: The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age." - Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 237.


Aisha claims that she was engaged to Muhammad when she was 6 years old, and she moved in with Muhammad when he was 9 years old. Muslim apologists argue that Muhammad married Aisha at such a young age because women didn't live as long in the 7th century, so marriages were different - this partially correct. However, young girls getting married at the age of 6 was not normal in those times either, so Muhammad's marriage in Aisha is still an act of paedophillia.

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Oh OK. I was only talking about Muhammad's lifetime.

I'm from Lancashire.
I lived in Kendal for a while, which has a Lancaster postcode, although it's actually in Cumbria. Weird shit, never quite understood that.


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It isnít a great mystery, lack of political, economic and civil stability causes any nation to crumble, these are the pillars for which any nation needs in order for development and advancement to initiate. Most of these nations were colonialised, their resources shipped back to the metropoles of their day, their infrastructure underdeveloped and masses of their societies left impoverished and without any great foundations from which to develop their nations

The great Western superpowers fulfill these three given criteria, and are successful because of it. Centuries of independence and development, versus budding nations with less than 75 years of independence, is an unfair comparison and a biased one at that.


Lol here is the thing, they might face other problems that other nations do. The way they react to them has to do with Islam though. This is why blaming the US or other countries for the way they behave in the middle east holds no merit.

This is why blaming politics or the economy has no merit.


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it took a wrong turn by being a fake religion


This implies there is a religion that isn't fake.

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As far as Islam as a religion goes, I'm ambivalent about it. In terms of people having freedom of religion, I think Islam must be tolerated as to not create hypocrisy, and as a religion is nothing more than the subjective interpretation of its follower.


You say "Islam must be tolerated" but why? Bad ideas shouldn't be tolerated. Islam is the mother load of bad ideas(Sam Harris ftw).

Don't make the mistake of thinking all religions are equal.

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Personally, I think Abraham was a scummy piece of shit who nearly killed his son, the ultimate evil act, for an invisible being, thus creating the concept that religion overrides rationality, and as such, I think all 3 abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) are harmful ignorant bullshit. Which makes comments about Muhammad's pedophilia (no worse than Abraham's near child sacrifice) or islam being a "fake" religion hilarious to me.


I find your lack of understanding the differences hilarious. Abraham isn't the figure Christians tend to hold up or aspire to be like. That would be Jesus. Jesus is just plain better than Muhammad. This is a fact. Non-pedophile non-warlord>>>>>>warlord pedophile.

In Islam, even the moderates can find it disrespectful if you draw a picture of their prince pedophile.

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Besides Trump himself called Islam one of the great faiths while in Saudi Arabia. We should support the President's opinion on this matter


Indeed? So why only on this matter?


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