They easily breach his armor. A green lantern did so. They can also reform and recover from any damage they incur though it won't be much if any. This is a stomp of the highest order. Spite.
Monarch destroyed a universe under his own power. Only time Odin ever did that was when combined with Infinity or something...
Even Celestials haven't ever busted universes on panel, to my knowledge.
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It was a chain reaction that was caused after his defeat by Superboy Prime who can't do so either. Prime just bested him. Context is everything. This is about one character vs another group and who wins. Celestials can reform from the blast as well if need be. The Monitor outright survived it.
SBP was also guardian amped, and literally punched into the fifth dimensiom and kidnapped Mxy.
Just to rip through to the fifth dimension is > any Celestial feat ever.
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You are again ignoring the context. Have you even read these comics ? That's rhetorical I know the answer. Mxy had his will sapped and his power drained by another character called Annataz. If you ignore the context then it's obviously more impressive.
And the fifth dimension feat was during infinite crisis when reality was in flux due to Alexander Luthor. This is about these guys against each other not feats. Please try to critically think and be objective in these debates.
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if you're asking my opinion, most certainly not. not even close tbh. you're suggesting prime be moved from trans/skyfather to....universal level? that seems crazy to me. equally crazy that monarch is viewed as universal level. /shrug
again i think that's crazy talk.
it took him being empowered by-literally-the essence of the UNIVERSE (kismet) to pierce his armor. sun dipped was nowhere CLOSE to being able to take on imperiex directly. not even a question my friend.
c'mon abhi. you do it REGULARLY. make your case WITHOUT low balling the other side. you'll have better luck convincing people of your arguments.
doesn't mean he is a universal power. seriously? c'mon....
and....lowballing. dude, make your case FOR your guy instead of arguing AGAINST the other guy. it's very easy to argue that way but rarely works because you end up dismissing all the good showings the other guy has.
Just because the Celestials do not choose to tear down the universe does not mean they do not have the power to do so. In this case you have Monarch take on about 10 Celestials....each considered a universal force or higher.
So GA prime and Monarch actually destroying an entire universe doesn't makes them universal?
Could you explain why?
Why?
Normal Superman being powered up. Sundipped Superman overpowered Warworld which drained Imperiex's power and B13 was actually using it to counter Superman from moving the planet but was totally ineffective.
Strange way to depict sundipped Superman being insignificant to Imperiex.
I'm not lowballing anybody here. I'm just going by what's on panel. It's not my problem if you don't like that.
Why not? He was twice shown that way under the same writer.
This is simply "Superman can't be that powerful because are you serious" argument I expect from someone not you.
What good showing did I dismissed here? Just curious.
"I'll teleport your great energies to feed a dying star".
Considering Kang got his ass handed to him by Havok and Sunfire draining power from him, I'm less likely to take kang on his gloating.
By that logic, Monarch must be omniversal because why not? He doesn't only chose to destroy the omniverse, he already has that power.
Let's see celestials record en masse , shall we?
Dozens of celestials ran away from Galactus Engine.
Entire Celestial race was captured by a single cosmic cube in reality 691.
Godkiller armor literally killed billions of Celestials.
Entire Celestial race was stalemated by watcher race for thousands of years.
Ego was shown stalemating dozens of Celestials at once.
X-Terminators killed untold number of Celestials.
Gee, that's a lot of universal showings right there.
Just curious. When was it stated to be a "pocket uni"? Mayne I missed something. Also if it is a "pocket uni", how big is it in relation to a regular one?