Monitors exists far beyond the scope of the Multiverse even dwarfing the realms of gods which dwarfs the infinite Multiverse . Low tier characters like new gods sees the Multiverse as bubbles and casually bust the multiverse by just falling inside it and they have the tech that can sterlize all of existence . They might be even powerful then dream of endless as a unit who has the influence over the Dark multiverse which contains all of DC + infinite dimensional beings as a tiny spec floating inside it . A amped swamp thing and Zatanna has better feats then beyonders as they were capable of restoring the whole creation from scratch . Monitor simply wins due to better tech and being more powerful .
Yeah, I'm not sure why some people keep bringing up the scale of Beyonders as though it automatically puts them above Monitors..? Remember, the entire DC multiverse/continuum is, literally, microbial in comparison to the Monitors/Nil... There's a reason Monitors refer to the 3rd dimension as the "GERM world", after all(in this case it is a very literal title.)
I only mention this because the Monitors reside in a realm/dimension even higher on the cosmological chart than the New Gods: https://i.imgur.com/eNkrNq2.jpg
If fact, the scale of Nil(ie. the Monitor realm) is so vast that the entire Limbo dimension was about the size of CA Superman's palm: https://i.imgur.com/0EjbMBe.jpg
...And as you can see in the map I posted above: Limbo is basically a bridge dimension -- just above the New God realm; just below the Monitor realm. IOW, its size/scale would be > the New Gods'... Yet Superman could have put it inside his phucking pocket from Nil. THAT'S the scale we're talking here(even though I don't expect it to sink in for a few of the key idiots in this thread, but I digress)...
If we're simply talking scale, the Monitors and Beyonders are equal -- the mainstream creations are literally bacteria-esque in comparison to their native realms.
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The only problem with the Beyonders is that for all their hype and higher end feats they have painfully low, lows...getting owned by the ex nihili, getting owned by starbrand, getting owned by thor and hyperion, the entire race getting killed by the bomb, etc. because of that it's really hard to find a middle ground for them.
the monitors have a bit of the same problem, but its definitely not as extreme.
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As i mentioned before. There is limmited info on the beyonders.
Which makes this thing hard to predict.
We dont know if the 3 Beyonders that killed the Cosmic entites are dead (I personally believe they arent). The Beyonders that Died tp the Owen Bomb were weaker than the ones that Killed the Living Tribunal. So in that aspcet there could be weak Beyonders (Like the ones that faced Multiversal Avangers) and strong Beyonders like the ones which killed the Living Tribunal.
I personally think that the Beyonders win because of their influence on the Marvel Multiverse.
They were basically unstopable (The only reason they were stopped is because they used the Owens as a bomb. But again, they created the Owens, so its like basically they created their own Doom).What would have happened if they wouldnt have created the Owens.
So, when we say "The Beyonder race" we are looking Blindly. Until now we have seen 2 different types of beyonders. The ones faced by MA, and they onesthat killed the Cosmic beings. Who knows if there might still be stronger beings than these in their universe.
We also have The Beyonder, which was omnipotent! Not to mention he was a "baby" in comparisson to Other Beyonders.
If we use low showings as a metric, the Beyonders stomp.
Tbh I completely forgot about countdown. They were basically shitty versions of Watchers. I'd favour the Beyonders solidly taking everything into account. They have numbers and one Beyonders is infinitely more powerful than one Monitor.
No, Breevort suggested an out and didn't take a formal stance. You can choose to take his word or not.
The only one perpetuating baseless theories is you. Show me actual examples from the comics that supports what Breevort said. Breevort wasn't even the editor of that comic so who gives a f*ck what he says? Even if he was it doesn't matter. We take comics first and use the words of creators to support existing possibilities. We don't warp evidence to fit the theories creators suggest. He has a documented history of just saying random shit to shut down annoying fanboys who bug him.
It's ludicrous to turn this into a debate that focuses on low showings exclusively. That said, I agree that it IS really hard to figure out an 'average' for the Beyonders themselves.
In NA #30, three of them were shown slaughtering the entire cosmic hierarchy -- the only beings to give them any trouble whatsoever were the Celestials(because there were an infinite amount), and LT himself(who represented a *fully* multiversal power, and ultimately gave 3 of them a great fight before falling.) In the next issue Starbrand's detonation kills one outright, the Ex Nihilii warp another into a tree, and Thor+Hype steamroll through dozenS of them.... And that's to say nothing about a blast nigh-infinitely below multiversal wiping out the entire damn race.
I still don't understand the HUGE discrepancy between depicted powerlevels, but whatevs... At least we saw what Doom and Owen could do with the cumulative power of the Beyonder race. /shrug
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