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The Monitor race v.s. the Beyonder race
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abhilegend
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Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah but the Anti-Monitor was more powerful than the original Monitor and he was nearly killed by Supergirl...

She only nearly ruptured his armor. He was a being of pure energy and his armor breach does not mean him getting nearly killed.


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Originally posted by SquallX
No! That's a lie and you know it.

Anti was never nearly killed. All that happened was his primary shell was breached by a Pre Crisis supergirl.

I can't find the scan, but you should read what AM himself said about the incident.

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Found it, look below

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Originally posted by abhilegend
She only nearly ruptured his armor. He was a being of pure energy and his armor breach does not mean him getting nearly killed.

Breaching his armor may not automatically mean that, but his own words afterwards do...

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP....Es&pid=15.1


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I can't find the scan, but you should read what AM himself said about the incident.


Breaching his armor may not automatically mean that, but his own words afterwards do...

Those were mere words. His actions showed otherwise in the same series. He lived as pure energy long after his suit was destroyed.


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Originally posted by abhilegend
Those were mere words. His actions showed otherwise in the same series. He lived as pure energy long after his suit was destroyed.

That was his assessment of the event. If you want to dismiss what he himself admits on panel then that's on you.


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That was his assessment of the event. If you want to dismiss what he himself admits on panel then that's on you.

I'm going on what happened when his suit was actually destroyed. If you want to ignore that, well it's you after all.

And Supergirl rupturing his suit was an anomaly. Later he literally shrugged off 50 Superheroes at once.

https://i.imgur.com/D3XXoSm.jpg

And that was after he expanded all his extra power reaching the dawn of time.

https://i.imgur.com/wsoVK3c.jpg

But I guess Supergirl>>50 of the strongest heroes in DC.


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I would say that his first armor was weaker and he rebuild it to tank the onslaught from beings like Flash and Supergirl.

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Wasn't one of them turned into a tree, and another blown up?

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*multiple ones blown up
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...ers+032-019.jpg

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tree:
http://tinypic.com/r/50qikl/9


Ouch. Monitors win. smile


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I'll return later, but for now, the Beyonders at their best, is them within the Beyond Realm, which they can attack from. In the Beyond Realm, each Beyonder is atleast bigger than the Infinite Multiverse, and by "bigger" I mean, next to one Beyonder the infinite Multiverse is an insignificant speck. Now, OUTSIDE the Beyond Realm where they have to take on vulnerable forms, one can shitstomp all EternitieS, three can stomp a non-cis LT, so one can beat LT imo. Also Im basing the Beyonders' size on Kubik/Kosmos' size when they entered the Beyond Realm, the actual mature Beyonders are logically far bigger still. This isnt a solitary incident, when one Beyonder first appeared on panel, it was only a forarm and hand but it crossed light years in size. In Hickman's run, Doom/ Owen had to "draw them out" in order for the Owen-bombs to be affective. When Hickman portrayed them from within the Beyond Realm, he had them shine in a tone of God.


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The Beyonders that the heroes face are manifestations:

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Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm going on what happened when his suit was actually destroyed. If you want to ignore that, well it's you after all.

And Supergirl rupturing his suit was an anomaly. Later he literally shrugged off 50 Superheroes at once.

https://i.imgur.com/D3XXoSm.jpg

And that was after he expanded all his extra power reaching the dawn of time.

https://i.imgur.com/wsoVK3c.jpg

But I guess Supergirl>>50 of the strongest heroes in DC.


That was after he absorbed all the power from the Anti-Matter Universe because the machines he was using to destroy the positive matter universes were destroyed. He was far more powerful at that point.


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Yeah. Anti-monitor corrupted her and he knew she was going to attack but allowed himself to die to power the machines that would pull Earth-One and Earth-Two into a netherverse


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Originally posted by Mr Master
I'll return later, but for now, the Beyonders at their best, is them within the Beyond Realm, which they can attack from. In the Beyond Realm, each Beyonder is atleast bigger than the Infinite Multiverse, and by "bigger" I mean, next to one Beyonder the infinite Multiverse is an insignificant speck. Now, OUTSIDE the Beyond Realm where they have to take on vulnerable forms, one can shitstomp all EternitieS, three can stomp a non-cis LT, so one can beat LT imo. Also Im basing the Beyonders' size on Kubik/Kosmos' size when they entered the Beyond Realm, the actual mature Beyonders are logically far bigger still. This isnt a solitary incident, when one Beyonder first appeared on panel, it was only a forarm and hand but it crossed light years in size. In Hickman's run, Doom/ Owen had to "draw them out" in order for the Owen-bombs to be affective. When Hickman portrayed them from within the Beyond Realm, he had them shine in a tone of God.



Where as the Primal Monitor is cast, that the DC Multiverse was just a mere gem to him.

Same thing with Mandrakk.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm going on what happened when his suit was actually destroyed. If you want to ignore that, well it's you after all.

And Supergirl rupturing his suit was an anomaly. Later he literally shrugged off 50 Superheroes at once.

https://i.imgur.com/D3XXoSm.jpg

And that was after he expanded all his extra power reaching the dawn of time.

https://i.imgur.com/wsoVK3c.jpg

But I guess Supergirl>>50 of the strongest heroes in DC.
Better yet: at the end of the story...when AM was tremendously weakened via the heroes dropping an ASININE dose of dues ex machina/plot-device on him...he still had absolutely NO issues existing as an energy being after his second shell was destroyed:
https://i.imgur.com/ZbRhxEp.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/e5Xgp4z.jpg

IOW, we know for a fact that AM being reduced to his energy state doesn't have much of an effect on him...not *really*, at least. /shrug

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Yeah. Anti-monitor corrupted her and he knew she was going to attack but allowed himself to die to power the machines that would pull Earth-One and Earth-Two into a netherverse
...Not to mention that Monitor was almost completely powerless at the time, as AM had destroyed most of the positive matter universes in the multiverse.


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Depends on which versions we use. The best versions, IMHO, are the pre Hickman Beyonders vs the POST Crisis Monitors (Primal Monitor, etc..). Because let's face it, the Hickman Beyonders are a joke and the pre Crisis' most powerful Monitor, the AM, doesn't fill me with confidence at all.

Look at this :
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Even though SG was dying, she actually had him on the ropes and it only fell apart when she turned from fighting AM to scream at Dr. Light. She probably could have ended the Crisis right there if she stayed focused. Irregardless, she forced him to flee from the battle to heal up. Didn't he have a couple of universes under his belt at this time? Yikes.


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^Hickman's Beyonders were used for the OP pic. /shrug


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And why do people seem to be fixating on Anti-Monitor here..? Yes, I suppose he is 'a' Monitor, but he is still only 'one' Monitor... And he's not even the most powerful one of them. confused


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That was after he absorbed all the power from the Anti-Matter Universe because the machines he was using to destroy the positive matter universes were destroyed. He was far more powerful at that point.

He even informed that he used all that power reaching dawn of time.

What isn't computing for you here?


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Beyonders were really bad against the Multiversal Avengers.
Monitors were really bad against Monarch's crew.


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Originally posted by abhilegend
He even informed that he used all that power reaching dawn of time.

What isn't computing for you here?

He didn't say he used all that power, he said he used most of his power.

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Originally posted by Galan007
^Hickman's Beyonders were used for the OP pic. /shrug


{edit}
And why do people seem to be fixating on Anti-Monitor here..? Yes, I suppose he is 'a' Monitor, but he is still only 'one' Monitor... And he's not even the most powerful one of them. confused

As far as I know, the AM is only currently being focused on because someone brought up the original Monitor as if he were a powerhouse. So I pointed out that AM was more powerful than him and he(AM) was nearly killed by Supergirl.


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