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Galan007
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Lets remember that the Beyonders we saw in Secret Wars are not the same ones seen at Time Runs Out.
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They are literally the EXACT SAME Beyonders -- the artists(ie. Walker and Deodato) simply drew them differently between issues.


At the end of 'New Avengers' #31, the two Beyonders are shown confronting the Multiversal Avengers in their 'classic' forms:
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In the very next issue(NA #32), the SAME two Beyonders are shown confronting the Multiversal Avengers again... Only this time they're randomly drawn as queerish Transformer knockoffs, lawl:
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...Not that I expect you to acknowledge facts or anything, lol.


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Originally posted by Galan007
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They are literally the EXACT SAME Beyonders -- the artists(ie. Walker and Deodato) simply drew them differently between issues.


At the end of 'New Avengers' #31, the two Beyonders are shown confronting the Multiversal Avengers in their 'classic' forms:
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-Art by Kev Walker


In the very next issue(NA #32), the SAME two Beyonders are shown confronting the Multiversal Avengers again... Only this time they're randomly drawn as queerish Transformer knockoffs, lawl:
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-Art by Mike Deodato




...Not that I expect you to acknowledge facts or anything, lol.


No not the same beings. Atleast not the exact same.

The Beyonders that faced Multiversal Avangers were 2, then ones that killed the Cosmic beings were 3.

Also, these 3 beyonders were refered as Ivory Kings. Which in a way puts them above the ones fought by MA.

These 3 beyonders were obviously more powerful as well than the 2 the MA fought. They killed all cosmic beings. Multiversal Avangers wouldn't have a chance against these.

I think the Ivory Kings are like some sort of leaders for the Beyonder race. I mean, we are talking about beings from another Multiverse, they probably have hierchies and different levels of power amongst their people.


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Thinking is one thing; you're gonna need to bring some proof, champ.


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No not the same beings. Atleast not the exact same.

The Beyonders that faced Multiversal Avangers were 2, then ones that killed the Cosmic beings were 3.

Also, these 3 beyonders were refered as Ivory Kings. Which in a way puts them above the ones fought by MA.

These 3 beyonders were obviously more powerful as well than the 2 the MA fought. They killed all cosmic beings. Multiversal Avangers wouldn't have a chance against these.

No, the Beyonders were referred to as the Ivory Kings by Black Swan before we had any clue of what they were.

It was later in issue #30 of New Avengers vol. 5 that we learn from Hank Pym that the Ivory Kings were in fact the Beyonders.

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I think the Ivory Kings are like some sort of leaders for the Beyonder race. I mean, we are talking about beings from another Multiverse, they probably have hierchies and different levels of power amongst their people.

The Beyonders had servants, they were called the Mapmakers.

Serious question, why do you have an opinion on a story you haven't read?


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No not the same beings. Atleast not the exact same.

The Beyonders that faced Multiversal Avangers were 2, then ones that killed the Cosmic beings were 3.

Also, these 3 beyonders were refered as Ivory Kings. Which in a way puts them above the ones fought by MA.

These 3 beyonders were obviously more powerful as well than the 2 the MA fought. They killed all cosmic beings. Multiversal Avangers wouldn't have a chance against these.

No, the Beyonders were referred to as the Ivory Kings by Black Swan before we had any clue of what they were.

It was later in New Avengers vol. 5 #30 that we learn from Hank Pym that the Ivory Kings were in fact the Beyonders.

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I think the Ivory Kings are like some sort of leaders for the Beyonder race. I mean, we are talking about beings from another Multiverse, they probably have hierchies and different levels of power amongst their people.

You're right, there was a hierarchy in the Beyond, on the top you had the Beyonders, following them you had the Map Makers, and at the bottom you had the Sidera Maris.

Serious question, why do you have an interpretation of a story you clearly haven't read?


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Thinking is one thing; you're gonna need to bring some proof, champ.


There is no proof when talking about the Beyonders.

They are the most mysterious beings after TOAA in the Marvel Multiverse.

The only times we got a peak of what the Beyonders were was in Time Runs Out and Secret Wars... When talking about the Beyonders we can do nothing but think.


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Thinking is one thing; you're gonna need to bring some proof, champ.


Looking totally different is some pretty strong evidence.

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Looking totally different is some pretty strong evidence.


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No, the Beyonders were referred to as the Ivory Kings by Black Swan before we had any clue of what they were.

It was later in New Avengers vol. 5 #30 that we learn from Hank Pym that the Ivory Kings were in fact the Beyonders.

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You're right, there was a hierarchy in the Beyond, on the top you had the Beyonders, following them you had the Map Makers, and at the bottom you had the Sidera Maris.

Serious question, why do you have an interpretation of a story you clearly haven't read?


Yeah. I still think the Ivory Kings are alive.


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There is no proof when talking about the Beyonders.

If you readily admit to being unable to prove your arguments then stop making them.

We—who've followed the event—know plenty of things about the Beyonders. Their goals, the means through which they attempted to reach said goals, their limitations and their collective deaths were all established in Time Runs Out.

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Yeah. I still think the Ivory Kings are alive.

Well you've not read the story, so your opinion shouldn't matter to anyone.


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You don't see the difference in artist style as opposed to drawing something totally different? The difference is extreme. And we have a specific statement of those being manifestations.

You would be better drawing Namor compared to Beta Ray Bill to show a similar difference.

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Also, these 3 beyonders were refered as Ivory Kings. Which in a way puts them above the ones fought by MA.

These 3 beyonders were obviously more powerful as well than the 2 the MA fought. They killed all cosmic beings. Multiversal Avangers wouldn't have a chance against these.

I think the Ivory Kings are like some sort of leaders for the Beyonder race. I mean, we are talking about beings from another Multiverse, they probably have hierchies and different levels of power amongst their people.
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'Ivory Kings' is simply a blanket title that Doom and the Swans came up with for the Beyonders as a whole... It is NOT a means of power classification, lol.


And as seen in the character list from 'New Avengers' #32, Marvel simply calls them "Beyonders":
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Same with the character list from 'New Avengers' #33
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Additionally, 'New Avengers' #33 literally goes out of its way to show us that the Transformer-esque iterations Deodato drew ARE the full-blown/adult Beyonders:
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...SAME Beyonders; different artistic takes. Simple. smile


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Looking totally different is some pretty strong evidence.
Or maybe you could...you know...actually READ these issues for yourself. Again, SAME Beyonders; different artistic takes. Simple. smile


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'Ivory Kings' is simply a blanket title that Doom and the Swans came up with for the Beyonders as a whole... It is NOT a means of power classification, lol.


Furthermore, as seen in the character list from 'New Avengers' #32, Marvel simply calls them "Beyonders":
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And NA #33 literally goes out of its way to show us that the Transformer-esque iterations Deodato drew ARE the full-blown/adult Beyonders:
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...SAME Beyonders; different artistic takes. Simple. smile


Or maybe you could...you know...actually READ these issues for yourself. Again, SAME Beyonders; different artistic takes. Simple. smile



Don't know why I'm even bothering here. This is the same 'dynamic duo' who incessantly argue/ignore on panel fact. laughing out loud


You love to claim that people ignore facts that you never present. Do you know the definition of "fact"? "That's artistic interpretation" is not fact. It's something you pulled out of your arse. That is a totally, clearly purposely different drawing for the purpose of showing the variety of manifestations. Read with your pea brain.

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You love to claim that people ignore facts that you never present. Do you know the definition of "fact"? "That's artistic interpretation" is not fact. It's something you pulled out of your arse. That is a totally, clearly purposely different drawing for the purpose of showing the variety of manifestations. Read with your pea brain.
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You love to claim that people ignore facts that you never present. Do you know the definition of "fact"? "That's artistic interpretation" is not fact. It's something you pulled out of your arse. That is a totally, clearly purposely different drawing for the purpose of showing the variety of manifestations. Read with your pea brain.
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I don't think you'd be getting this upset unless you just realized how wrong you are, lol. Again, SAME Beyonders; different artistic depiction... It's right there on panel. Really can't be more explicit.

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There is no proof when talking about the Beyonders.

They are the most mysterious beings after TOAA in the Marvel Multiverse.

The only times we got a peak of what the Beyonders were was in Time Runs Out and Secret Wars... When talking about the Beyonders we can do nothing but think.


They can't think. Interesting that they call the Monitor low showings PIS and have failed to show their battle feats. Clearly Beyonders stomp.

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Beyonders get stomped?


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