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Exar Kun (Azronger) vs Galen Marek and the Starkiller Clone (UCanShootMyNova)
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Syn, if you don't even put up a half assed response by friday, I'm taking the argument.


You have a 24 hours

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Take it.


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Usurp his thread, Ziggy!


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It's been over 24 hours. I hereby declare Syn a pussy, and demote him to the role of a spectator. Ziggy shall now take his place as champion of the Starkillers, but someone must fill his previous role as judge. Anyone up to the task?


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I'll jump in.

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I'll jump in.


You're hired


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Keeping the opener well well short.

Given that there's no common reference point (scaling) between these characters - Kun's showings against Luke Skywalker in Jedi Academy being at their very best, nebulous, this is looking more like a battle that should be decided by feats. In this case, Strakiller seems to be able to throw out more power than Kun at any given time. Even when his powers are divided between defence and offence.

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With his mind and all the power of the Force, Starkiller embraced what remained of the frigate beneath him-and blew it into a billion pieces.

- The Force Unleashed II


The energy blasts, Force pushes and sorcerous spells all seem to pale in comparison to this single feat. What's more, Starkiller was protecting himself from intense heat (above 1000c) while atomising this very large chunk of frigate. It's not clear that Kun can defend against this level of output focussed in a single attack against his body, much less match it in a struggle of Force abilties. If he could, then perhaps Ood Bnar wouldn't have been such an impassible object to him. To reiterate, there isn't much evidence from Kun to suggest he can simply shrug-off the level of power coming form one starkiller. Yet we have poor Exar pitted against two of them. A dreary scenario indeed.

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Alright, I'll try not to rush this, but neither do I desire to delay it too much. I'll want to read through TotJ, JA, and the TFU duology as prep and to refresh my memory. Give me two weeks - that sounds reasonable, no?


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Reasonable.

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thumb up

And Kun gets his amulet gauntlets, right? They're part of his standard repertoire.


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Kun get's his amulets here.

As well lube for his rectum after the raping.

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Kun get's his amulets here.

As well lube for Galens rectum after the raping.

Fixed.

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Why do people always need to specify whether Kun has his amulets or not? It's in his standard equipment.

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So, it seems I overestimated my available free time and my mental endurance to keep on tirelessly reading insipid text. It's apparent to me I won't get my reading list cleared by Saturday, so I have decided to drop a brief response to avoid missing the deadline. Thus, I present thee, seņores, with my modest defense of Exar Kun...

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Keeping the opener well well short.

Given that there's no common reference point (scaling) between these characters - Kun's showings against Luke Skywalker in Jedi Academy being at their very best, nebulous, this is looking more like a battle that should be decided by feats. In this case, Strakiller seems to be able to throw out more power than Kun at any given time. Even when his powers are divided between defence and offence.



The energy blasts, Force pushes and sorcerous spells all seem to pale in comparison to this single feat. What's more, Starkiller was protecting himself from intense heat (above 1000c) while atomising this very large chunk of frigate. It's not clear that Kun can defend against this level of output focussed in a single attack against his body, much less match it in a struggle of Force abilties. If he could, then perhaps Ood Bnar wouldn't have been such an impassible object to him. To reiterate, there isn't much evidence from Kun to suggest he can simply shrug-off the level of power coming form one starkiller. Yet we have poor Exar pitted against two of them. A dreary scenario indeed.


The reason Ood Bnar was an unpassable obstacle for Kun was because he was, contrary to you implication, a far more powerful Force user than Starkiller was. At least when drawing on Ossus' Force nexus at the planet's core with his roots, amplifying his naturally meager power level to unprecedented (literally) heights, after which blasting Kun back with his auxiliary might:

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The same power can also be translated into defence, as Ood rather nicely demonstrated when he created and impenetrable barrier capable of deflecting lightsaber strikes as well as dark side tendrils similar to the ones that proved the undoing of the legendary Darth Bane. More impressive and relevant, though, would be the Neti Jedi Master's famous tanking of ten supernovas to the face, which left him charred but still very much alive:

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The multisolar firestorm would logically pack a bit more of a punch than the obliteration of less than half of a frigate, on top of which it being described as "more devastating than anything the galaxy has ever seen" - which would include such events as Vitiate's little stunt on Nathema that killed every living being on the planet - and in a nice comparison to Starkiller's vaunted feat, annihilated the Jedi fleet and disintegrated Naga Sadow's flagship:

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After all that, I would not think of it as a negative for Exar Kun to have met his match in Ood Bnar. After all, the ancient master survived a far more potent force than anything you've presented available to Starkiller in his arsenal so far. Now, the crux of my argument is that when power that was used to tank ten supernovas is released outward from the body in an offensive blast, the result would presumably be an attack more powerful than what either Galen or his clone have going for them - which is exactly what Bnar did to Kun; the power he used to blast the Dark Lord was the same he used to survive the supernovas: drawn from Ossus' core. Yet Kun himself didn't seem to mind all that much in the end, remaining shaken but ultimately unscathed, walking away to do his own business a few moments later:

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So with that out of the way, I wouldn't say it is out of the question to suggest Exar Kun can endure any telekinetic blast or surge of Force lightning Vader's apprentices throw at him. What does remain under scrutiny, however, is the duo's ability to defend against Exar's more unorthodox forms of assault, namely the sorcerous spells you so audaciously dismissed in your opener. I haven't seen anything from either of that'd suggest their knowledge of the Force is developed past rudimentary disciplines like telekinesis or Force lightning. They are, until proven otherwise, defenseless against having their soul ripped out of their body, cryokinetic attacks that can disable their lightsaber, and advanced forms of telepathy, considering that such attacks require special techniques to guard against and have historically deadly to unprepared opponents. And in this battle scenario, they are delivered from a comparably - and I have argued more - powerful Force adept. A dreary scenario indeed.

Ball's in your court.


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Spicy.......

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Some of your images aren't working.

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For me they all work just fine.


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Ziggy, lets cut the crap, I know you have a dozen counters for Az's post. you know ToTJ better then anyone I know, end this swiftly.

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I will respond Muser,

These are the images that are missing AZ.

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