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America Chavez vs. Big Barda
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Mother box is standard for ALL New Gods. Its like modern society with cell phones.


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Why are you posting a webpage bio as definitive proof? Not exactly a detailed bio either. She is shown countless times with a mother box and she has used it for years. In birds of prey she was using boom tubes. Now if your talking about new52 Barda then I have no clue if it is standard

But I'll play along. Let's post other website bios.

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Big_Barda_(New_Earth)
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/big-barda/4005-3628/

Even if you want to ignore her motherbox her megarod TELEPORTS too. Posted on same website you just used

"As a high-tech weapon, the Mega-Rod fires powerful concussive bolts, increases gravitational forces and allows Barda to instantaneously teleport herself and others great distances."

http://www.dccomics.com/characters/big-barda


So fan edited Wikis? I posted DC official. Now how does the megarod teleportation compare to Chavez's innate?

Against Ultimate Cap is her first low showing. So she's not all over the place. And Barda flies using devices that can be teleported away. Chaves's teleportation is cosmic in scope. Barda isn't even bulletproof as Chavez is.

Now I don't know what is happening in Chavez's solo book because it is such a joke, but I have seen high showings and don't forget that she also defies the laws of physics.

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So fan edited Wikis? I posted DC official. Now how does the megarod teleportation compare to Chavez's innate?

Against Ultimate Cap is her first low showing. So she's not all over the place. And Barda flies using devices that can be teleported away. Chaves's teleportation is cosmic in scope. Barda isn't even bulletproof as Chavez is.

Now I don't know what is happening in Chavez's solo book because it is such a joke, but I have seen high showings and don't forget that she also defies the laws of physics.


haha what? you're trying to post a website bio as fact. One that isn't that detailed. You do realize even Marvel bios on their website can be edited by fans

She Boom Tubes erm Brought up a few times in the series she can. Just stop your making yourself look bad.

https://i.imgur.com/UrUNShz.jpg

Do I really have to post all her teleportation feats? Even Mister Miracle #4 she boom tubed

Actually you may want to read her book as she has a few low showings in that. white frat robots were punching her around when regular humans were sending them flying. New Gods defy the laws of physics erm Actually yes her solo book has several scenes that are racist


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Sorry correction Mister Miracle #4 she says her mega rod is better then a regular boom tube as rank dictates level of weaponry and she was the highest in the female furies. We also later find out her rod is built out of boom tube technology.


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haha what? you're trying to post a website bio as fact. One that isn't that detailed. You do realize even Marvel bios on their website can be edited by fans

She Boom Tubes erm Brought up a few times in the series she can. Just stop your making yourself look bad.

https://i.imgur.com/UrUNShz.jpg

Do I really have to post all her teleportation feats? Even Mister Miracle #4 she boom tubed

Actually you may want to read her book as she has a few low showings in that. white frat robots were punching her around when regular humans were sending them flying. New Gods defy the laws of physics erm Actually yes her solo book has several scenes that are racist


Those are not regular humans. Most in that school are super powered which is why she questions why the depowered Prodigy is there. And she is only struck once by a sucker shot from a lamppost that knocks her backward but doesn't harm her.

The nature of the book is more of a reflection of the writer than the character.

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It was hip hop dancers hitting the robots. They weren't special
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On a separate note here in mister miracle #7 once again says mega rod is better then a boom tube and takes them from earth to apokolips

1. https://i.imgur.com/D0BS4BN.jpg
2. https://i.imgur.com/UKM0l1c.jpg
3. https://i.imgur.com/PLYtRdJ.jpg


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It was hip hop dancers hitting the robots. They weren't special
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On a separate note here in mister miracle #7 once again says mega rod is better then a boom tube and takes them from earth to apokolips

1. https://i.imgur.com/D0BS4BN.jpg
2. https://i.imgur.com/UKM0l1c.jpg
3. https://i.imgur.com/PLYtRdJ.jpg


They are super powered. That's what the school is for. Again, she questions why Prodigy is there since he was depowered.

In issue 20 of that same Mr. Miracle series, he fights Barda toe to toe evenly. Chavez reacts at light speed to send Monica to another reality. She unleashes concussive force from one. We can go on. Her portal ability is off the charts. No comparison. She takes the team outside of the omniverse.

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They are super powered. That's what the school is for. Again, she questions why Prodigy is there since he was depowered.

In issue 20 of that same Mr. Miracle series, he fights Barda toe to toe evenly. Chavez reacts at light speed to send Monica to another reality. She unleashes concussive force from one. We can go on. Her portal ability is off the charts. No comparison.

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Show me those hip hop dancers were super powered then. What's their powers?

Yeah your not the best with context eh? She was dazed, mind controlled and even dying (being separated from granny goodness weakened her. In issue #21 she was on her death bed)...AND MISTER MIRACLE TAPPED INTO HIS GODHOOD ABILITIES. As I said earlier..just stop erm

that's nice, again similar with Barda as Apokolips is outside the multiverse

http://www.dccomics.com/sites/defau...a9.11031355.jpg


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Before this goes further...I don't care outcome of this fight. If you look back I directly talked about BFR. Said it wouldn't work. Said had mega rod and mother box as standard equipment (she does). You said no and posted a dc bio page as proof. I posted scans. You indicated America in a seperate post she has an advantage as she can fly. I replied so can Barda. You asked for mega rod teleportation feats I provided. Now your taking the mister miracle and Barda fight out of context erm

If someone else wants to argue who wins. Feel free. My original point is clearly made
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Won't let me edit original post here is Barda dimensional hopping
https://i.imgur.com/HIEymgz.jpg


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Before this goes further...I don't care outcome of this fight. If you look back I directly talked about BFR. Said it wouldn't work. Said had mega rod and mother box as standard equipment (she does). You said no and posted a dc bio page as proof. I posted scans. You indicated America in a seperate post she has an advantage as she can fly. I replied so can Barda. You asked for mega rod teleportation feats I provided. Now your taking the mister miracle and Barda fight out of context erm

If someone else wants to argue who wins. Feel free. My original point is clearly made


I showed you where the school is for super powered beings. Yet the Leelumultipass Phi Theta Betas can't be powerful because they hip hop dance? They are sending super powered robots in the air with punches. Your statement that they are knocking her around is false. She is struck once with a light post and is unhurt.

You showed no mega teleportion feats. Chavez travels out of the omniverse, not the multiverse (he book distinguishes). She teleports enormous objects and shows far more diversity with it. Motherbox is not standard IMO. It's aid. Can I used the UN for all of Galactus's battles?

You're making excuses for her struggling against Miracle.

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Barda just has too much going for her here.


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I showed you where the school is for super powered beings. Yet the Leelumultipass Phi Theta Betas can't be powerful because they hip hop dance? They are sending super powered robots in the air with punches. Your statement that they are knocking her around is false. She is struck once with a light post and is unhurt.

You showed no mega teleportion feats. Chavez travels out of the omniverse, not the multiverse (he book distinguishes). She teleports enormous objects and shows far more diversity with it. Motherbox is not standard IMO. It's aid. Can I used the UN for all of Galactus's battles?

You're making excuses for her struggling against Miracle.


Again what's their powers? No I said the hip hop dancers were sending them flying. And they haven't shown anything of note worthy unless you have something??? Not once did I say America was defeated, injuried, etc. They sent her flying...which they did but considering what she has tanked ie captain marvel and BM that's a pretty big discrepancy. Also ultimates interchanged omniverse and multiverse. But again don't care about range. Mega rod showed it could teleport out of the multiverse and into different dimensions. Now if you are truely arguing america is instantly going to dump her outside of the omniverse/multiverse, etc I would question her vast majority of showings/fights where you know she doesn't do that

Again don't care who wins or who is the better teleporter. Originally point is BFR will not work. How is it aid? She carries it and uses it. Orion carries his does that mean he can't use his in a fight? Faulty logic. Hell her mega rod is better then a boom tube anyways

Excuses? That's some serious context you left out erm her dying, being mind controlled and being weakened and miracle tapping into new powers shouldn't be brought up?Silly me. Honestly after that comment I'm definetly done with this thread as you got one hell of a bias going on


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Again what's their powers? No I said the hip hop dancers were sending them flying. And they haven't shown anything of note worthy unless you have something??? Not once did I say America was defeated, injuried, etc. They sent her flying...which they did but considering what she has tanked ie captain marvel and BM that's a pretty big discrepancy. Also ultimates interchanged omniverse and multiverse. But again don't care about range. Mega rod showed it could teleport out of the multiverse and into different dimensions. Now if you are truely arguing america is instantly going to dump her outside of the omniverse/multiverse, etc I would question her vast majority of showings/fights where you know she doesn't do that

Again don't care who wins or who is the better teleporter. Originally point is BFR will not work. How is it aid? She carries it and uses it. Orion carries his does that mean he can't use his in a fight? Faulty logic. Hell her mega rod is better then a boom tube anyways

Excuses? That's some serious context you left out erm her dying, being mind controlled and being weakened and miracle tapping into new powers shouldn't be brought up?Silly me. Honestly after that comment I'm definetly done with this thread as you got one hell of a bias going on


There is nothing indicating that Barda is weakened during that fight and the dialogue indicates that Miracles success is based on him using his skills to the fullest, not by tapping into new powers. Yes, she is mind controlled. Show where she is weakened.

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There is nothing indicating that Barda is weakened during that fight and the dialogue indicates that Miracles success is based on him using his skills to the fullest, not by tapping into new powers. Yes, she is mind controlled. Show where she is weakened.


Incorrect. As noted he gained new powers and he merged with the mother box. In issue #20 he flys into space on his own power. Then later he escapes the rocket trap and says "--and landed unhurt, due to my new powers". In issue #21 he says "you taught me about mother box. and yet, you didn't teach me that she would unite with me someday--that the powers I drew from her could be drawn from myself. Why Himon? Why was I?--Highfather's son--allowed to grow up to think I was virtually powerless". So yes he gained new powers and abilities for the fight

Next issue it's revealed. The longer she is away from granny the more she loses the will to live and dies. By the time she fought Miracle she was gone from granny for a long time and her "turned her warriors will against herself"

https://i.imgur.com/DjwB0sY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/zA9URAL.jpg

They also have "fought" before and after and it didn't go as well for miracle.

Don't believe me still. Let's here what Mr. Miracle has to say about this wife in issue #23..."I'm no match for her sword --or her strength, when her mind is sound". So as I have said she was weakened mentally and physically. Large context left out


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