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The court systems, and by extension law-enforcement agencies, excuse it when police officers are not held legally accountable in cases where brutality and wrongful deaths is apparent. Many are placed on suspension with pay and go on to continue their careers in law enforcement, a few get fired only to get a job with another law-enforcement agency. It is not often that one will be sentenced to prison, however.
Example: Daniel Palateo was not indicted after choking Eric Garner to death.

Also, in regards to harsher sentencing, I am referring to those minority suspects with identical criminal histories as their white counterparts... not repeat offender against first-time offender. It is real, just like the reality of men being served harsher sentences than women for the same crimes.


Yeah yeah, that all sucks. The cops aren't the biggest problem facing the black community though. I'd love the same uproar over 70% of murders here being unsolved.

Spoiler alert: the cops didn't set a 15 yr. old black kid on fire and then shoot him in the back of the head.


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Nah, it doesn't justify it. It does justify a discussion about the rampant violence though in the community and why cops react the way they do.


It certainly does warrant the discussion of the high-crime rates in these communities, and of what can be done to change that. That is a complex issue that would require its own thread of all ten or so active members of the GDF going back and forth without reaching an agreement on most, if any, issues.

The fact remains that there is still the fact that ethnic minorities are targeted much more often without cause for suspicion, and more of them are unjustifiably beaten or killed than whites suspected of similar or identical crimes.


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It certainly does warrant the discussion of the high-crime rates in these communities, and of what can be done to change that. That is a complex issue that would require its own thread of all ten or so active members of the GDF going back and forth without reaching an agreement on most, if any, issues.

The fact remains that there is still the fact that ethnic minorities are targeted much more often without cause for suspicion, and more of them are unjustifiably beaten or killed than whites suspected of similar or identical crimes.


If you belong to a group that commits murder way more than other groups yeah, that same group will most likely have more deaths at the hands of law enforcement.

Are we going to see a big discussion in this country about that? Nope lol. Just about them cops.


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The court systems, and by extension law-enforcement agencies, excuse it when police officers are not held legally accountable in cases where brutality and wrongful deaths is apparent. Many are placed on suspension with pay and go on to continue their careers in law enforcement, a few get fired only to get a job with another law-enforcement agency. It is not often that one will be sentenced to prison, however.
Example: Daniel Palateo was not indicted after choking Eric Garner to death.


Again, not saying it isn't an issue. Just not as big of an issue as is being portrayed. That guy should have been jailed. No argument from me, but there are not a lot of cases where it is that obvious.


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Yeah yeah, that all sucks. The cops aren't the biggest problem facing the black community though. I'd love the same uproar over 70% of murders here being unsolved.

Spoiler alert: the cops didn't set a 15 yr. old black kid on fire and then shoot him in the back of the head.


No, I agree that bad encounters with police aren't the most damaging issue facing troubled minority communities, but for the sake of staying on-topic, police brutality in general and the unequal treatment of ethnic minorities--not just blacks-- by law-enforcement were what Kaepernick's protest was all about, and what the continued kneeling in the NFL, at it its core, are still about.


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No, I agree that bad encounters with police aren't the most damaging issue facing troubled minority communities, but for the sake of staying on-topic, police brutality in general and the unequal treatment of ethnic minorities--not just blacks-- by law-enforcement were what Kaepernick's protest was all about, and what the continued kneeling in the NFL, at it its core, are still about.


Nah, the dipshit said it was about the flag too. Colin flat out said that.

You think they will ever kneel over black on black crime though? Or do they just help the black community by raising awareness over an issue that is nowhere near the most important? Cuz obviously all those other big name celebrities are bringing attention to the black on black crime, so thank you to the NFL for daring to tackle this issue.


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Nah, the dipshit said it was about the flag too. Colin flat out said that.

You think they will ever kneel over black on black crime though? Or do they just help the black community by raising awareness over an issue that is nowhere near the most important? Cuz obviously all those other big name celebrities are bringing attention to the black on black crime, so thank you to the NFL for daring to tackle this issue.


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It certainly does warrant the discussion of the high-crime rates in these communities, and of what can be done to change that. That is a complex issue that would require its own thread of all ten or so active members of the GDF going back and forth without reaching an agreement on most, if any, issues.

The fact remains that there is still the fact that ethnic minorities are targeted much more often without cause for suspicion, and more of them are unjustifiably beaten or killed than whites suspected of similar or identical crimes.
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I was with you on the drug related/longer sentence thing, but from what the Justice reports show, African Americans are not targeted disproportionately over other ethnic groups. The percentage for violence and deaths were like 2% or less even though African Americans are responsible for more violent crime.


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I was with you on the drug related/longer sentence thing, but from what the Justice reports show, African Americans are not targeted disproportionately over other ethnic groups. The percentage for violence and deaths were like 2% or less even though African Americans are responsible for more violent crime.


Could you share a link to the DOJ reports you referenced? I'd like to look at what they show, and compare it to how many high-profile cases we've had that show the difference in treatment.

I've also made reference to ethnic minorities, not just blacks. Latinos are another large community which is also subject to unfair treatment from law enforcement and the courts.


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What about them Asians? You shouldn't leave out how dangerous these people are!


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What about them Asians? You shouldn't leave out how dangerous these people are!


Being fair though, since we raise the bar for what the Asians need to succeed in college, we should raise the bar on what is considered a crime for them.

I saw this Asian jay walk. Where is the firing squad?


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NFL 85-90% African American Millionaires.

Players: "We are oppressed"

Media: "if you stand you are a white supremacists!"


*To dirt poor white guy* "YOU'RE OPPRESSING ME!"


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http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2017/...eader-says.html


Apparently the body cams and stuff do not match up with the story the player told.

Those cams were obviously racist.


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Lol too funny:

Two high school football players learn ultimate lesson from coach after they protest national anthem

HS coach tells athletes not to do this, says there will be consequences. They do it anyways. One of the mothers says:

"She said: ďIím definitely going to have a conversation because I donít like the way that that was handled. But I donít want them back on the team. A man with integrity and morals and ethics and who truly lives by that wouldnít have done anything like that. Actions speak louder than words. So, for him to do what he did, that really spoke volumes and I donít want my kids or my nephew to be around a man with no integrity.Ē

Just to be clear, he told them not to do something and said there would be consequences if they did it. Wouldn't he lack integrity if they did something and then he did not follow through? Anyways, we have heard from one of the mothers and an aunt. Now what about the fathers?

I said...what about the fathers, what do they have to say?


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