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Rewind: Trump had one the Popular Vote but Lost the Electoral College
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Before I go Rob you seem super pissed off. You need a change of shorts?


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It happened at the same magnitude? And for as long?

Citation?


Yeah, not playing your goal post moving games anymore, cos you'll just keep upping the requirements every time you're proven wrong. You always do this.


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Before I go Rob you seem super pissed off. You need a change of shorts?


^ Surtur thinks he's clever here using the "you mad!" diversion tactic


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Ha thought so, have a good night and change those shorts, nobody likes sitting in poop thumb up


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^ Surtur thinks he's clever here using the "you mad!" diversion tactic


Well you do seem a little pissed as you came out of the gate cussing and strawmaning me.

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Well you do seem a little pissed as you came out of the gate cussing and strawmannirg me.


Oh, you too. Was expected though.


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Who in the **** is saying Trump needs to be removed because he lost the popular vote? If you don't have a valid answer here, then your entire premise falls flat.

He won with the rules at play, as shitty as they are, that's not his fault.


Dude, this is a straw man!

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Wrong. That was the narrative you pushed and you responded with multiple people who allegedly did it and then with quotes. When I showed said quotes were about something else, you then started yelling "strawman". It's all on page one and two.


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You are right, its all on the first page, easy to follow the straw man

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How many liberals would have his side saying well he won the popular vote, he's the real president and we need to remove the electoral college.

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Whining based on speculation and imagined scenarios. Good thread thumb up

ps The electoral college needs to go; no, not just because of Trump. It was stupid before he ran. One citizen = one vote, that's how we should decide.

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Thats not what this is, if the situation was reversed what would have happened. Its not as if we can't really tell.

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I'd rather not play your imaginary "what if?" games as a means to feel better about your own shortcomings, Surt. You can pretend away though.


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Who in the **** is saying Trump needs to be removed because he lost the popular vote? If you don't have a valid answer here, then your entire premise falls flat.


^^STRAWMANED

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Whining based on speculation and imagined scenarios. Good thread thumb up

ps The electoral college needs to go; no, not just because of Trump. It was stupid before he ran. One citizen = one vote, that's how we should decide.


If people voted as individuals, sure.

They don't though.. Tribalism/local level identity politics make lesser populated states at the mercy of heavily populated ones.

The fact, say, New Yorkers/Californians denigrate flyover states or shore up their state as the best city in the world (Or a very close second to London) should be proof enough each state has an identity, rivalry, and associated biases that would change voter needs and affect voting patterns..


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Nope:

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Thats not what this is, if the situation was reversed what would have happened. Its not as if we can't really tell.


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Who in the **** is saying Trump needs to be removed because he lost the popular vote? If you don't have a valid answer here, then your entire premise falls flat.

He won with the rules at play, as shitty as they are, that's not his fault.


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Maxine Waters, Al Green, Joy Baher, Whoopi Golberg, Hillary Clinton.

If Hillary had won the way Trump ran, would the rules be shitty then?


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*needs citation*

To your edit: Yes, the EC is crap and was crap before 2016.


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"Impeach 45" "We are going to get Trump out, then we are going after Pence" Maxine Water

"Mr. Speaker, I am calling for the Impeachment of the Presdient of the United States of America" Al Green

Joy Baher daily on the view, as does Whoopi.

"I want to get back to the question: Would you completely rule out questioning the legitimacy of this election if we learn that the Russian interference in the election is even deeper than we know now?"

"No. I would not. I would say" —HC

You’re not going to rule it out.

"No, I wouldn’t rule it out."-HC


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Not of those quotes say Trump needs to go because of his EC win and pop vote loss. So?


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So why did he need to go right after he was elected? Because donuts?


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Afaic, no one called for Trump's impeachment due to him losing the popular vote. That's not an impeachable offense. You're just making things up now to fit the weird topic you're trying to force

In regards to Maxine Waters, she was saying it in regards to Russiagate.



You were sure and confident until I showed you your quotes had nothing to do with what you were trying to push. Only then did you claim "strawman".


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Who in the **** is saying Trump needs to be removed because he lost the popular vote? If you don't have a valid answer here, then your entire premise falls flat.

He won with the rules at play, as shitty as they are, that's not his fault.


Nope, this is a strawman and I played your game. Rob you are not winning this one, at all. You tried to say I said "Who in the **** is saying Trump needs to be removed because he lost the popular vote?"

I never claimed that, so you misrepresented my argument in order to make it easier to attack.

Just concede or we can do this for the next 5 hours if you chose. The quotes don't lie.

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If people voted as individuals, sure.

They don't though.. Tribalism/local level identity politics make lesser populated states at the mercy of heavily populated ones.

The fact, say, New Yorkers/Californians denigrate flyover states or shore up their state as the best city in the world (Or a very close second to London) should be proof enough each state has an identity, rivalry, and associated biases that would change voter needs and affect voting patterns..


'tribalism" doesn't go away either way. So it's irrelevant.

Why does a state like Colorado deserve the same voting power as one like California when it has an 8th of the population? Why is every single Coloradian (sp?) worth 8 Californians in voting power/needs?

One citizen = one vote is as fair as it gets. The EC won't go away though, as it clearly always favors the Republican party.


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'tribalism" doesn't go away either way. So it's irrelevant.

Why does a state like Colorado deserve the same voting power as one like California when it has an 8th of the population? Why is every single Coloradian (sp?) worth 8 Californians in voting power/needs?

One citizen = one vote is as fair as it gets. The EC won't go away though, as it clearly always favors the Republican party.


So since the Media favors the Democratic Party, should that go to in your opinion to make everything fair is square? After all the media is shitty as well.

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"The Media" has nothing to do with citizen votes and equality of votes. Weird. Besides, it's not like Trumpers listen to CNN, as example of why what you said is irrelevant and weird. But I think you know that and are trying to muddle the point because you don't have a proper response.

Say it with me, one citizen = one vote. What are you scared of?


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"The Media" has nothing to do with citizen votes and equality of votes. Weird.


Correct, but the media easily helps to manipulate peoples votes. Remember Russian Trolls on Facebook apparently affected peoples votes. So by the same measure, so does the media.

CNN is the least rated cable news network and the least trusted. Nick At Night reruns beat it. CNN isnt the only news outlet.

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Now you're conflating "the media" with the belief in widespread fake news stories by a foreign power in order to influence the election one way. Weird.

Say it with me, one citizen = one vote. What are you scared of?


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Say it with me, one citizen = one vote. What are you scared of?


No I don't believe in that, I believe in the Federal Presidential Constitutional Republic. I don't believe in hoarding votes in major population centers controlled by Democrats with easy access to welfare and free money and forgetting about everyone else.

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'tribalism" doesn't go away either way. So it's irrelevant.

Why does a state like Colorado deserve the same voting power as one like California when it has an 8th of the population? Why is every single Coloradian (sp?) worth 8 Californians in voting power/needs?

One citizen = one vote is as fair as it gets. The EC won't go away though, as it clearly always favors the Republican party.


Because states have different needs. And state identity is built right into the system.

So Colorado totally has as much of a right to federal access as California.


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Now you're conflating "the media" with the belief in widespread fake news stories by a foreign power in order to influence the election one way. Weird.

Say it with me, one citizen = one vote. What are you scared of?


If a foreign power as you believe swayed votes, how could the local propaganda media not sway votes?

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